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Post by gillianren on Jul 2, 2010 3:53:20 GMT -4
Well, sure he hinted at a conspiracy; he would whether the allegations were true or not, wouldn't you think?
I'm sorry. Whether the specific allegations were true or not, his behaviour was inappropriate. Flat out. The "slumber parties," which he freely acknowledged, were not okay, and I'm frankly shocked that parents would think they were.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 2, 2010 4:44:45 GMT -4
Well, sure he hinted at a conspiracy; he would whether the allegations were true or not, wouldn't you think? I'm sorry. Whether the specific allegations were true or not, his behaviour was inappropriate. Flat out. The "slumber parties," which he freely acknowledged, were not okay, and I'm frankly shocked that parents would think they were. Why? |
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Post by gillianren on Jul 2, 2010 13:22:02 GMT -4
Because grown men shouldn't share beds with children outside of very specific circumstances, none of which Michael Jackson fit except with his own children. Even if you aren't doing anything, it looks bad, and if you don't know it looks bad, there's something wrong with your thought processes.
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Post by laurel on Jul 2, 2010 13:51:45 GMT -4
Even if you aren't doing anything, it looks bad, and if you don't know it looks bad, there's something wrong with your thought processes. And if someone been accused of sexual abuse of a child once already, they should know better than to put themselves in situations where they can be accused again. Why the heck did he keep having slumber parties with children after the Jordan Chandler episode? That's very bad judgment. |
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Post by laurel on Jul 2, 2010 13:56:38 GMT -4
MJ hinted at a conspiracy behind it all but wouldn't elaborate. He hinted at conspiracies behind quite a few things. He deliberately acted eccentric and then later claimed there was a media conspiracy to make him look eccentric. He accused Sony of being racist and conspiring against him when Invincible didn't sell as many copies as he wanted. I think he cried wolf too much about conspiracies. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 2, 2010 22:10:19 GMT -4
Because grown men shouldn't share beds with children outside of very specific circumstances, none of which Michael Jackson fit except with his own children. Even if you aren't doing anything, it looks bad, and if you don't know it looks bad, there's something wrong with your thought processes. Apart from the fact they didn't share a bed, they shared a bedroom, which was bigger than a lot of apartments. According to testimony given by the boys the DA claimed had been assaulted, Michael slept on the floor not in the bed. Secondly, it only looks "bad" because people assume the worst regardless of the situation, it's like male teachers no longer being able to comfort a child because it looks bad. The only reason it looks bad is because society now believes that an adult male that shows any interest in kids must be a pervert. If it had been a female celeb doing it no one would have batted an eyelid. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 2, 2010 22:12:58 GMT -4
Even if you aren't doing anything, it looks bad, and if you don't know it looks bad, there's something wrong with your thought processes. And if someone been accused of sexual abuse of a child once already, they should know better than to put themselves in situations where they can be accused again. Why the heck did he keep having slumber parties with children after the Jordan Chandler episode? That's very bad judgment. Maybe so, but on the other hand, should you have to totally change your life because some money-grubbing parents have laid false charges in order to blackmail you? |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 2, 2010 22:15:32 GMT -4
MJ hinted at a conspiracy behind it all but wouldn't elaborate. He hinted at conspiracies behind quite a few things. He deliberately acted eccentric and then later claimed there was a media conspiracy to make him look eccentric. He accused Sony of being racist and conspiring against him when Invincible didn't sell as many copies as he wanted. I think he cried wolf too much about conspiracies. I doubt it was a conspiracy, although the DA was out to get him by hook or by crook (getting the law changed specifically to get him being a huge indicator there) however he did manage to surround himself with people that saw him as a cash cow and went about getting as much of his money as they could. |
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Post by gillianren on Jul 2, 2010 23:09:46 GMT -4
Apart from the fact they didn't share a bed, they shared a bedroom, which was bigger than a lot of apartments. According to testimony given by the boys the DA claimed had been assaulted, Michael slept on the floor not in the bed. Secondly, it only looks "bad" because people assume the worst regardless of the situation, it's like male teachers no longer being able to comfort a child because it looks bad. The only reason it looks bad is because society now believes that an adult male that shows any interest in kids must be a pervert. If it had been a female celeb doing it no one would have batted an eyelid. I would have, but hey. Only people looking at the circumstantial evidence which is not what you believe generalize, right? |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 3, 2010 0:35:08 GMT -4
I would have, but hey. Only people looking at the circumstantial evidence which is not what you believe generalize, right? I'm not entire sure your sentence makes sense. However, one needs to weigh circumstantial evidence against the rest of it. If someone sees me walk into my house with a gun, hears a gunshot, and then sees me run out with blood on me, they might believe based on that evidence that I shot my fiancee, but if she then comes forward and testifies that I didn't, it doesn't really matter what the circumstantial evidence might say. However, if you then get a few people who have a bone to pick with me, a DA that wants to make his name taking me down, and a witness willing to lie through their teeth to make some money, it's quite possible to ignore the fact that not only is my fiancee alive and well without any bullet wounds, and try and find me guilty of her murder, all based on the circumstantial evidence and the false of slanted testimony. |
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Post by gillianren on Jul 3, 2010 14:01:45 GMT -4
Okay, and someone who doesn't change their behaviour after they know it's suspicious, which indicates something seriously wrong in their thought processes, a fact you don't address. Oh, and you're not considering an alternative interpretation for the DA's behaviour--that he knows the evidence builds up to something, but he's afraid you are, as OJ did, getting off because you have money. He thought there was a conspiracy against him, too.
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Post by Jason on Jul 3, 2010 14:58:45 GMT -4
The man seemed to be addicted to plastic surgery too. That can't be good for the self image.
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Post by lazarusty on Jul 3, 2010 20:58:56 GMT -4
The man seemed to be addicted to plastic surgery too. That can't be good for the self image. Well, you know, he met Faul (False Paul) McCartney and suddenly went plastic surgery mad.  |
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Post by lazarusty on Jul 3, 2010 21:04:18 GMT -4
Okay, and someone who doesn't change their behaviour after they know it's suspicious, which indicates something seriously wrong in their thought processes, a fact you don't address. How about that he wasn't going to let anyone or anything intimidate him into doing what he knew was innocent. He wasn't going to be robbed simply because of the perverse twisted minds misinterpreting him. These days, parents are too afraid of hugging and kissing their children in case some neighbour reports them for sexual abuse. It's crazy, society is now rife with paranoia and fear over the issue. And the children suffer because, robbed of natural affection between them and parents which has been twisted into being unnatural, they fall for the first guy or girl that comes along. That's why they have sexual relationships so young and end up pregnant etc before they are emotionally ready for it all. |
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Post by gillianren on Jul 3, 2010 22:17:42 GMT -4
Oh, yes, that's it exactly. It's not just that it's something being discussed now which never was before.
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