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Post by tedward on Mar 31, 2010 4:04:21 GMT -4
David icke forums as well I am sure.
Edit. Yeah, found it. Just googled david icke and moon hoax and found a poster with that image and name. So much for anonymity, probably thinks he is being stalked now. Interestingly found in a thread saying the moon hoax is real and a certain other poster is trying to use valve theory to prove we could not send radio signals past the belts......
Excuse edit 2. Oh my giddy aunt, reading further on the poster with the valves proves it was false bit, he has gone into some wild theory on satellites I cannot even begin to precis correctly here apart from all domestic stuff is from LEO sats? Never would have thought of that myself. Astounding.
Dated last year.
Sorry, shouldn't be getting side tracked like this.
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Post by fireballxl5 on Mar 31, 2010 6:05:06 GMT -4
I think that was his avatar on the Dark Conspiracy website. The picture is Robert Anton Wilson, Hagbard Celine is a character from his books. I did a bit of poking around and i found this: info-wars.org/2009/06/16/father-bans-school-from-fingerprinting-daughter/On his forum he said: "Why do I have to join Clavius, and risk the security of my personal information , to prove I’m willing to debate." Yet hes posted his name address and photographs all over the net. Apparently he likes to dress up as David Icke img372.imageshack.us/img372/9376/4i4js7kzf0.jpgI spent a large part of last night reading his posts on the David Icke forum and i feel hes being a little coy here in regards to the questions about the LRO photographs as on that forum he has many theories like the hardware we see is models carried out of a moon base.There's also the "they put them there but not in Apollo times" and the old favorite "photo shopped". One of his posts interested me as he wanted to know why they didn't fake the Japanese Kaguya satellite images and include the Apollo hardware. He seems to think NASA (and god knows why NASA) are not hiding their secret anymore. Did he not know that Kaguya did not have the resolution the resolve the hardware so if it had been seen it meant an obvious fake?
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Post by thetart on Mar 31, 2010 6:42:52 GMT -4
Don't be too hard on him. He is an Icke poster but he is on here and he is willing to politely debate the issues.
Give him a fair chance. If you think he is bad should read the other posters on Icke. The one about the skyscrapers seen on a planet 43 million light-years away is a particular favourite of mine.
Right, Hagbard
Please explain the LRO photos, including the footprint trails, the ALSEP, the rover. Photoshopped by a new generation of NASA conspirators?
Explain the Kaguya terrain realisations. Totally faked by the Japanese?
Explain the retroreflectors. Put there by robotic craft in exactly the same position by an amazing coincidence in the locations where the Apollo landers (ahem, rocks) now appear to be?
If you do want a debate please come forward with your explanations on the above. Otherwise get back onto Icke with the "the flag is fluttering - I was told it was by someone" brigade.
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Post by AstroSmurf on Mar 31, 2010 11:22:32 GMT -4
Obviously, the robotic mirror landers were programmed to look for rock formations resembling an LM descent stage...
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 0:47:00 GMT -4
Six LM descent stage-sized objects at the exact Apollo landing sites? Objects that visibly have four footpads? What else do you think they could be? Correct me if I'm wrong; I've not been following this subject so closely lately: I thought there was only a single photo that shows the objects on the moon close enough for the footpads to be discerned. I've seen an LRO close-up showing its shape in a bit more detail. But it's not close enough to see properly what it is; it's as if it's a few hundred feet below. Even if Jarrah White is wrong about the photoshopping of the pics, the objects themselves might exist up there, but they could be fake, balsa-wood models or something. It's a pity the CIA can't lend NASA one of the KH spy satelites that NASA so kindly launch for them! ;D They can supposedly read a car number plate from low Earth orbit through the atmosphere. They'd probably be able to read the serial number on the LM. White has a point, there was a lot of hype about the LRO that hasn't lived up.
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 0:50:30 GMT -4
Harbard, While you are at it - please explain how the laser retroreflectors also got located in the same positions. I've addressed the LRO in the post above. As for the retroreflectors: Objects can be placed on the moon like that without human hands. Then again, I've stated in my article that I don't accept the notion that people have NOT been to the moon; I just question how and when they went, and who did go. Somebody could have left the reflectors there, yes.
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 0:53:11 GMT -4
No that's my avatar, the late great Robert Anton Wilson, the funniest Conspiracy Theorist who ever lived! I look a bit like him, but I'm about 50 year younger and don't have a beard. I've never been on an education forum, but I'm a member of many other forums as well as my own HPANWO one, like the David Icke Forum and ATS.
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 0:54:38 GMT -4
I think that was his avatar on the Dark Conspiracy website. That's going back a few years! I used to be on the old Aulis Forum. Remember John Witts; We disagreed a lot but he was a mate of mine
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 0:56:36 GMT -4
I think that was his avatar on the Dark Conspiracy website. The picture is Robert Anton Wilson, Hagbard Celine is a character from his books. I did a bit of poking around and i found this: fake? It seems I'm already famous/infamous! ;D Good bit of detective work there, Sherlock!
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 1:55:07 GMT -4
Ah, now I've got RAW back where he belongs . I feel naked without him.
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Post by gillianren on Apr 9, 2010 2:01:16 GMT -4
Even if Jarrah White is wrong about the photoshopping of the pics, the objects themselves might exist up there, but they could be fake, balsa-wood models or something. It's a pity the CIA can't lend NASA one of the KH spy satelites that NASA so kindly launch for them! ;D They can supposedly read a car number plate from low Earth orbit through the atmosphere. They'd probably be able to read the serial number on the LM. White has a point, there was a lot of hype about the LRO that hasn't lived up. Can I give you a handy piece of advice? If Jarrah White tells you it's raining, look out your window. You might show the same level of investigation on the supposed abilities of said satellites as you would on any other item of interest. There's a reason for the word "supposedly" there.
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 2:02:29 GMT -4
I rrrrreally don't like that photo; I am better looking when you catch me at the right angle, I swear! ;D Not all the time! ;D That was for Halloween last year. It was original at least. Makes a change from a vampire or werewolf, wouldn't you say? David is a suitable subject for a Halloween costume because in a way he is quite spooky.
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Post by hagbardceline on Apr 9, 2010 2:06:33 GMT -4
Can I give you a handy piece of advice? If Jarrah White tells you it's raining, look out your window. You might show the same level of investigation on the supposed abilities of said satellites as you would on any other item of interest. There's a reason for the word "supposedly" there. I know, the true capabilties of spy satelites have never been published; they're Top Secret. The capabilities of the LRO are not though. The page adds: Don't speak too soon!
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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 9, 2010 2:36:11 GMT -4
White has a point, there was a lot of hype about the LRO that hasn't lived up. Not really, since the hype was by people that didn't know what they were talking about, not those that did. NASA has always said that the camera's would have about 1m per pixel resolution. Given that, it's not hard to work out that the desent modules were going to only be about 10x10 pixels.
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Post by gillianren on Apr 9, 2010 4:12:44 GMT -4
I know, the true capabilties of spy satelites have never been published; they're Top Secret. They don't entirely have to be, though. People here can give you a great deal of information on the properties of optics that mean capabilities have been greatly exaggerated. Besides, license plates are at an angle that a satellite couldn't read anyway.
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