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Post by Kiwi on Apr 11, 2010 7:04:44 GMT -4
.... what's going on with those 'wires'. I don't buy any of this but can't explain it. We had an entire thread on this subject back in 2005. Here's a post where I analysed some of the "wire flashes" when the Apollo 17 astronauts were videoed by the flag: apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1122302912&page=3#1122468469Beware, it is sufficiently detailed to cause an HB's eyes to glaze over after a few lines, and you really need the Spacecraft Films' DVDs with the images on a full-size screen, not some useless little movie on the internet where an HB cherry-picks only the bits that suit his claim. Sometimes the HBs claim there are wires holding the astronauts up when the sun glints off the antenna on the top of the PLSS. The antenna was shaped a bit like a carpenter's metal measuring tape, so sometimes reflects black sky, sometimes lunar landscape, sometimes the sun, and if edge on to the camera, sometimes nothing at all. By the way, Capricorn1: You said some time ago that you were going to re-watch Percy and Sibrel's films. Did you lay pieces of paper along their "parallel" shadows as I suggested in my earlier posts? <Fixed greengrocer's apostrophe. Smacks hand.>
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Post by capricorn1 on Apr 11, 2010 7:33:53 GMT -4
Hi Kiwi, about laying pieces of paper....after I'd read Clavius and seen some youtube debunking, it should be toilet paper. I really haven't seen anything to make me doubt the moon landings, and any doubt I had previously is firmly dispelled. I re-watched half of AFTHOTWTTM and it was just rubbish.
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Post by ka9q on Apr 11, 2010 10:12:51 GMT -4
When you see "PTC" they're referring to passive thermal control which is the "barbecue roll". Correct me if I'm mistaken but it is only needed in the coast-phases due to the uninterrupted solar radiation for days. Another distinguishing feature of the cruise phase was that neither the earth nor the moon occupied much of the sky around the spacecraft. You had the sun, a 5800K blackbody a half degree in diameter, and most of the rest of those 4 pi steradians was black sky at roughly 3 K. In lunar orbit you had nearly half of the sky occupied by the moon, whose surface temperature varied depending on the local solar time. A high emissivity surface, which would otherwise be good at radiating waste heat into deep space, would absorb the far infrared radiated by the hot lunar surface at local noon. So you tried to point the CSM's radiators at dark sky, not at the hot lunar surface.
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Post by clipperride on Apr 11, 2010 18:00:15 GMT -4
As Kiwi points out at the top of the page - watching the Spacecraft Films DVD of Apollo 17 will certainly put to bed any idea that the flashes seen on low res clips are wires. I was lucky enough to get a copy recently and have spent many happy hours watching it already. The TV coverage on that mission was certainly a good deal better that the earlier landings (I have Apollo 11 & 15 also on DVD).
Does anyone know where I can find the 16mm DAC footage taken from the Lunar Rover during Apollo 16 on the internet?
Regards
Mark
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Post by laurel on Apr 11, 2010 19:04:32 GMT -4
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Post by raven on Apr 12, 2010 0:24:03 GMT -4
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Post by clipperride on Apr 12, 2010 9:38:07 GMT -4
Thanks for posting those links. Not sure why I couldn't find them when I have searched before, but I have now book marked them.
Cheers to both
Mark.
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Post by capricorn1 on Apr 23, 2010 16:24:27 GMT -4
I really don't know what to say about these, found on Aulis....one of many going on about 'background' images in the darkness....here's one that 'shows' a wrecker truck AS12-48-7091.
And this one going on about scotch tape, that looks like a whole series of heat diffusing patches, or something....AS-17-148-22756
Is there a thread or site that debunks all of these Aulis photos? I know Clavius does a lot of them and deals with similar concepts, but anything photo by photo?
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Post by Ginnie on Apr 23, 2010 16:53:13 GMT -4
(Link to picture: www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS12-48-7091 ) (Link to Aulis picture: aulis.com/jackimages/12wreckercomp.jpg ) This is too ridiculous to comment on. That Jack would post something like this should disqualify him from commenting on any photographs at all IMHO. \ Let's see... what can a "magic wand" find.... Oh! Now I understand - I've found a giant iceberg, no, maybe an oil tanker, no, wait, maybe another "wrecker truck" ! EDIT: fixed link to first picture
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Post by capricorn1 on Apr 23, 2010 17:06:04 GMT -4
First link is a webpage not found 404
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Post by capricorn1 on Apr 23, 2010 17:11:42 GMT -4
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Post by laurel on Apr 23, 2010 17:14:05 GMT -4
I really don't know what to say about these, found on Aulis....one of many going on about 'background' images in the darkness....here's one that 'shows' a wrecker truck AS12-48-7091. And this one going on about scotch tape, that looks like a whole series of heat diffusing patches, or something....AS-17-148-22756 Is there a thread or site that debunks all of these Aulis photos? I know Clavius does a lot of them and deals with similar concepts, but anything photo by photo? There's a thread on the Education Forum about Jack White's claims about AS17-148-22756. The member Evan Burton posts here under the name Obviousman. Apparently it's kapton tape, not scotch tape, and yes, it was used for thermal control according to page 347 of How Apollo Flew To The Moon by W. David Woods. Jack White should not be considered an expert on spacecraft design. He doesn't know why the tape was there so he just says it's "for some unknown purpose" and therefore suspicious. educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15378en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaptonGinnie, the LPI link doesn't work because of the bracket at the end. It should be www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS12/48/7091.jpg.
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Post by Ginnie on Apr 23, 2010 17:17:22 GMT -4
No, you're looking at the picture that Jack used for his "analysis"... Better quality here: www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-48-7091HR.jpgHe used the "magic wand" tool in photoshop to find a "wrecker truck". I downloaded the HR image and tried and tried using that tool but couldn't "find" any truck. Maybe you can?
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Post by Ginnie on Apr 23, 2010 17:19:14 GMT -4
I really don't know what to say about these, found on Aulis....one of many going on about 'background' images in the darkness....here's one that 'shows' a wrecker truck AS12-48-7091. And this one going on about scotch tape, that looks like a whole series of heat diffusing patches, or something....AS-17-148-22756 Is there a thread or site that debunks all of these Aulis photos? I know Clavius does a lot of them and deals with similar concepts, but anything photo by photo? There's a thread on the Education Forum about Jack White's claims about AS17-148-22756. The member Evan Burton posts here under the name Obviousman. Apparently it's kapton tape, not scotch tape. Jack White should not be considered an expert on spacecraft design. educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15378en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaptonGinnie, the LPI link doesn't work because of the bracket at the end. It should be www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS12/48/7091.jpg. Fixed it Laurel. This link is better anyway - www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/AS12-48-7091HR.jpg Hey, I didn't know Evan was Obviousman! I've read many of his debunking posts on the Education Forum over the years. Hi Evan!
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Post by capricorn1 on Apr 23, 2010 17:24:42 GMT -4
Well isn't he just a lying xxxx - I downloaded that into my photoshop and used every single enhancement on there...no truck. As for the kapton, you have to offer the argument, if it is so 'damning' for NASA to show this, why would they? My first thought was that it looked heat functional.
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