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Post by PhantomWolf on May 10, 2010 6:11:35 GMT -4
The dreaded C-rock. Does anybody know where the prints came from and how they ended up in Jarrah's book? I think Hagbard made that point. That's a good question. Where did that photo come from? (Am I the only David Icke Forum memember posting here? I hope others will join, after all I see that a few of you guys have joined David's. If we're going to have an exchange programme I hope I won't be the only contributer. ;D It was one of a number of original prints of the photo. When magnified it is quite clear that the "C" is just a fibre in the photographic paper.
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Post by randombloke on May 10, 2010 6:32:47 GMT -4
Dunno man, where does photographic stock come from? Since the flaw exists only on the one print (that has been reproduced ad infinitum by people who think it's significant) and not on the others taken from the same negative, the flaw must be in the paper itself. This does happen occasionally; I'm pretty sure I've got some old printed photographs somewhere with similar artefacts.
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Post by grashtel on May 10, 2010 6:55:11 GMT -4
Has anyone el;se read that story by Arthur C Clarke about a fictional first moon mission? They discover that the moon has a thin atmosphere and they fire a missile into it to illuminate it and it turns out to be a Coca Cola advert! ;D Where did Clarke get his information from? In an astronomy encyclopaedia I read it says that Mercury has a very thin astmospher made out of various transient gas molecules. Are we sure the moon is not the same? After all it has a gravitational field that could attract gas molecules in the same way. The Moon does have an atmosphere, though it is extremely tenuous being what would be considered an extremely good quality vacuum on Earth, your house probably contains more atmosphere than there is on the whole surface of the Moon (the Lunar atmosphere is estimated to have a total mass of about ten tons). From a little searching it was first confirmed to exist in 1971 but had been speculated about for decades before that.
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Post by ka9q on May 10, 2010 7:36:53 GMT -4
In an astronomy encyclopaedia I read it says that Mercury has a very thin astmospher made out of various transient gas molecules. Are we sure the moon is not the same? After all it has a gravitational field that could attract gas molecules in the same way. Yes. We've been there, remember? We've deployed instruments on the lunar surface, including some specifically designed to study the extremely tenuous atmosphere. We've also studied the moon from the earth for quite some time. Introductory astronomy courses teach that the uniform brightness of the full lunar disc is one of the classic pieces of evidence that the moon lacks a significant atmosphere. We can also show from basic physical principles that the moon's gravity is simply incapable of retaining an atmosphere this close to the sun. (Saturn's moon Titan can have an atmosphere even thicker than ours despite gravity even less than our moon's only because it's so cold.) You begin by computing the velocity distribution of every candidate gas molecule given the known temperature of the lunar surface and the nature of the incoming solar radiation. It's a velocity distribution because thermal motions are random; even when a gas has a uniform temperature, not every molecule has the same velocity. And it turns out that a significant fraction of every candidate gas atom or molecule would be moving at speeds exceeding lunar escape velocity. It would leak into space. And that is how we know that the lunar atmosphere could not contain more than a tiny population of such molecules, and the few such molecules we see there could not have been there very long. They came from the solar wind, the interplanetary medium, from radioactive decay, from lunar materials vaporized by an impact, or perhaps from a rocket's exhaust (each Apollo visit roughly doubled the lunar atmosphere for a time.)
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Post by Jason Thompson on May 10, 2010 7:55:38 GMT -4
Mercury has a very thin astmospher made out of various transient gas molecules. Are we sure the moon is not the same? No, we're pretty sure it is the same. It is too small to hold on to a significant atmosphere for any length of time, but the presence of a very tenuous atmosphere has been confirmed.
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Post by Bob B. on May 10, 2010 8:32:36 GMT -4
From Moon Fact SheetOf course, based on hoax believer logic, we can't believe any of this to be true since it comes from NASA.
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Post by gillianren on May 10, 2010 13:56:28 GMT -4
Where did Clarke get his information from? What an odd question. Yes, the evidence shows a tenuous atmosphere on the Moon. But in a science fiction story, isn't it possible that he, you know, made it up? Because of the "fiction" part? If we're going to have an exchange programme I hope I won't be the only contributer. ;D Lord, I do, unless they're able to debate rationally and provide evidence for what they're saying. Oh, and don't go on about its all being down to the Jews. Anti-Semitism manages to be both vile and tedious.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on May 10, 2010 15:29:24 GMT -4
If the moon had an atmosphere worth discussing, it would be visible to astronomers on earth.
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Post by blackstar on May 10, 2010 17:18:44 GMT -4
Anybody recall that discussion?Vaguely. He was unhealthily dogged in clinging to his beliefs. I'm sure I skimmed it for a while then gave up. Has anyone el;se read that story by Arthur C Clarke about a fictional first moon mission? They discover that the moon has a thin atmosphere and they fire a missile into it to illuminate it and it turns out to be a Coca Cola advert! ;D Where did Clarke get his information from? In an astronomy encyclopaedia I read it says that Mercury has a very thin astmospher made out of various transient gas molecules. Are we sure the moon is not the same? After all it has a gravitational field that could attract gas molecules in the same way. You know it's not like it's a secret, there is a very, very, very, thin trace of atmosphere on the Moon, there's even water there. You could have found out this information if you visited space and astronomy sites, or any news site after the LCROSS mission. That's the thing with us mainstream types, we love to share all the info rather than quoting anonymous sources, or claiming that we daren't share for fear of the MIB.
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Post by grashtel on May 10, 2010 17:43:42 GMT -4
You could have found out this information if you visited space and astronomy sites, or any news site after the LCROSS mission. Or even Wikipedia
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Post by tedward on May 10, 2010 18:09:55 GMT -4
If the moon had an atmosphere worth discussing, it would be visible to astronomers on earth. I was going to add Occultations to the debate. Suppose this comes under the same heading?
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Post by Jason on May 11, 2010 14:03:19 GMT -4
Since my last post is appearently being ignored, I guess the answer to this question... Is anyone here "getting" this? ...is no. I guess that I was in error to think that "like minded" individuals posted to this board...bottom line is I don't belong here. This will be my last post. As this seems to be RAF's last post, I will break my long-standing rule of not responding to anything he posts for one final reply. (Please forgive the tardiness of my response on a thread that has already moved on - my daughter [the first for my wife and I] was born last Wednesday and I was a bit busy last week, only reading this thread today) RAF, I honestly hope that much of the hatred you showed towards anything connected to religion on this board was spurred on more by a dislike of my opinions and me personally rather than any absolute (I am tempted to say dogmatic) conviction of the harmfulness of religious thought. I will neither expect nor require an apology from you, but will rather hope that you may one day reconsider your position on the subject, or at least learn to respect those who disagree with you on it. Farewell.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on May 11, 2010 14:23:46 GMT -4
Congrats! Best wishes to all of you! As Lou Reed once sang "It's the beginning of a great adventure!"
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Post by Jason on May 11, 2010 15:03:26 GMT -4
From Moon Fact SheetOf course, based on hoax believer logic, we can't believe any of this to be true since it comes from NASA. So a 25-ton commet could double the moon's atmosphere, at least for a short time.
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Post by laurel on May 11, 2010 16:00:46 GMT -4
Congrats! Best wishes to all of you! As Lou Reed once sang "It's the beginning of a great adventure!" Yes, congratulations!
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