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Post by theteacher on Oct 8, 2010 12:01:20 GMT -4
...To round it off he could be asked, whether he thinks, that if in the future anybody lands people on the Moon - in reality - no hoax :-) , if they will then claim to be the first to do so... Could you, uh, rephrase this? English is my native language, but I don't seem quite able to parse your message. I got through to Data Cable at least :-) - But I admit that it could - and should - have been expressed with more elegance. How is your Danish by the way? ;D
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 8, 2010 13:17:46 GMT -4
I would ask him when is going to put up for peer review. I've asked him that very question and he did not answer. It is a question he avoids like the plague. Rather than try and raise $200 000 000 for his fly by, maybe he should write up his radiation research and put it up for peer review with respected journals. It won't cost that much. He lurks here... so come on Jarrah, join this forum and answer this simple question. 'When will you submit you radiation research for peer review with experts in the field of spacecraft design engineers, health physics and solar physicists?' Let me guess. He won't. He won't debate it like an adult. Not in any civil manner anyway. He certainly won't get his toes wet by coming here, and he is certainly too yellow to put his work forward for review and report back the comments.
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Post by fiveonit on Oct 8, 2010 16:57:27 GMT -4
I would ask him when is going to put up for peer review. Is that even possible??? Scientist and Engineers are Jarrah's peers about as much as a common house cat is a peer with full-grown lions roaming the plains of the Serengeti. I'd make this bet with Jarrah.... Submit your "research" (if we dare refer to it as that) to any qualified Scientist, Geologist or Engineer. I'll personally give you a $100 bill for every minute the said expert lasts without laughing out load and/or using phrases such as "WTF is this... Is this a Joke??" While we're at it... I'll add an additional $100 a minute under the same conditions for qualified review of Grandpa Rene's RESEARCH as well.
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Post by slang on Oct 8, 2010 17:40:59 GMT -4
Apparently the moron can't even ask a legitimate question. While all 3 Apollo 11 astronaut's names were on the presentation card that came with the "rock" that was given to Drees, it was Ambassador Middendorf who presented the rock in the first place. There is nothing anywhere (that I can find, at least) that states that Neil, Buzz or Mike were there at the presentation. Worse, it isn't even certain that card came with that particular piece of rock/petrified wood. The damage to the card suggests less than excellent storage.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 8, 2010 18:05:21 GMT -4
I would ask him when is going to put up for peer review. Is that even possible??? Scientist and Engineers are Jarrah's peers about as much as a common house cat is a peer with full-grown lions roaming the plains of the Serengeti. I'd make this bet with Jarrah.... Submit your "research" (if we dare refer to it as that) to any qualified Scientist, Geologist or Engineer. I'll personally give you a $100 bill for every minute the said expert lasts without laughing out load and/or using phrases such as "WTF is this... Is this a Joke??" While we're at it... I'll add an additional $100 a minute under the same conditions for qualified review of Grandpa Rene's RESEARCH as well. I will personally contribute $200 to Jarrah's fly to the moon fund if he writes up his radiation research and submits it to an independent panel that is mutually agreed to by both parties. I would care to bet that it will be Jarrah who stalls and finds excuses why the 'propagandists' are choosing particular members of such a panel. He'll always have an excuse. He simply does not have the b*lls to do it, as he knows it will not survive contact. He's fast showing he is an empty vessel. His stalking, obsession and hiding at YouTube show it is all a front. I like the idea of having Grandpa Rene's RESEARCH reviewed as well. Rene's 'work' was inherited by S Rourke and is still sold on the Internet. S Rourke filed a Copyright claim against a YouTube user for quoting from 'NASA mooned America' and linking to a pdf link on the web in the video info bar. I find it so funny (and a tad ironic) that the discoveries of Rene are sold for profit, whereas those of Newton and Einstein are freely available for all. I guess the real motive behind the work is profit, and is certainly not about new knowledge and rewriting the laws of physics. Further, when Jarrah has been asked why Rene referred to academics as 'gas bags', he claims that Rene only referred to academics that did not respond to his work as gas bags, as though this is justification for the label. By that argument, one would have thought that Jarrah and his friends would be pushing Rene's work for free so that his legacy can be verified and finally written into the annals of science. Showing to the world how Rene the pariah, shunned by the academic community, was indeed a true genius. No, instead, they push his shoddy pamphlets for profit and bad mouth those who have finally taken time to explain why he was wrong. Odd really, given that Rene accused those who did not pay much attention to his theories as gas bags. Seems Jarrah and his friends want it both ways. Defend Rene for calling the academic community gas bags because they did not review his work, and bad mouth those who actually did the very thing Rene wanted... to look at his work. By the same token, when one asks Jarrah to have his work reviewed there is silence. It simply is not a level playing field. The grandchild wants to have his cake and eat it when it comes to any sort of review.
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Post by tedward on Oct 9, 2010 9:01:18 GMT -4
I would ask him when is going to put up for peer review. I've asked him that very question and he did not answer. It is a question he avoids like the plague. Rather than try and raise $200 000 000 for his fly by, maybe he should write up his radiation research and put it up for peer review with respected journals. It won't cost that much. He lurks here... so come on Jarrah, join this forum and answer this simple question. 'When will you submit you radiation research for peer review with experts in the field of spacecraft design engineers, health physics and solar physicists?' Let me guess. He won't. He won't debate it like an adult. Not in any civil manner anyway. He certainly won't get his toes wet by coming here, and he is certainly too yellow to put his work forward for review and report back the comments. Hats off to you sir. But yeah, if you get him on camera with this as I assumed the question was for you can nail it on youchube every time he posts one of his flicks. Sort of here is the biased TV garbage, where is the empirical evidence it lacks?
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Post by tedward on Oct 9, 2010 9:11:55 GMT -4
I would ask him when is going to put up for peer review. Is that even possible??? Scientist and Engineers are Jarrah's peers about as much as a common house cat is a peer with full-grown lions roaming the plains of the Serengeti. I'd make this bet with Jarrah.... Submit your "research" (if we dare refer to it as that) to any qualified Scientist, Geologist or Engineer. I'll personally give you a $100 bill for every minute the said expert lasts without laughing out load and/or using phrases such as "WTF is this... Is this a Joke??" While we're at it... I'll add an additional $100 a minute under the same conditions for qualified review of Grandpa Rene's RESEARCH as well. I wonder at the real intent at getting loot off people for an endeavour never likely to see the light of day. In the UK we call it a scam.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 9, 2010 10:39:16 GMT -4
I wonder at the real intent at getting loot off people for an endeavor never likely to see the light of day. In the UK we call it a scam. Personally, I think it is a scam. At the moment he's not raising enough for it to be truly profitable though. He could barely afford food bills with what he is raising. Personally I think he is trying to recoup money for his ventures abroad and expenditure on his bucket of JSC-1A. Once he has done this, it will be the last we hear of it. I really think it is time he put his money where his mouth is, and offered up his work for review. As I said, it won't withstand contact. His contact with Jay at IMDb and some of the exchanges I have had with him show he's not got a clue when it comes to real detail of particle interactions with matter. In both these forays he has left the debate banging on about how he is answered the questions put to him and is fed up of playing silly games. I understand the sentiment that we speak too much about him. He is certainly taking a stiff ignoring at YouTube by some of the Apollo defenders. I see less of them are commenting on his videos. Personally, I feel with his recent episodes of stalking and his apparent push to widen his appeal, it's time that he is asked to defend his claims more openly so the absurdity of his arguments can be exposed and placed on record. Jarrah is too yellow to even contemplate this.
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Post by capricorn1 on Oct 9, 2010 12:21:50 GMT -4
I wonder at the real intent at getting loot off people for an endeavor never likely to see the light of day. In the UK we call it a scam. Personally, I think it is a scam. At the moment he's not raising enough for it to be truly profitable though. He could barely afford food bills with what he is raising. Bearing in mind we only have his say so on what he has raised......I don't think we can take that as a fact.
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Post by Obviousman on Oct 9, 2010 17:13:19 GMT -4
I did likewise, offering to get some people from the University of Sydney or the University of NSW or even ANSTO.... but he runs away at that point, knowing he is wrong. He's dishonest. I would ask him when is going to put up for peer review. I've asked him that very question and he did not answer. It is a question he avoids like the plague. Rather than try and raise $200 000 000 for his fly by, maybe he should write up his radiation research and put it up for peer review with respected journals. It won't cost that much. He lurks here... so come on Jarrah, join this forum and answer this simple question. 'When will you submit you radiation research for peer review with experts in the field of spacecraft design engineers, health physics and solar physicists?' Let me guess. He won't. He won't debate it like an adult. Not in any civil manner anyway. He certainly won't get his toes wet by coming here, and he is certainly too yellow to put his work forward for review and report back the comments.
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Post by lukepemberton on Oct 12, 2010 14:57:23 GMT -4
I see Jarrah's video is up. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbEYMVQ1ETADoes he understand that the SMH article was satirical. The title gives it away. I read it as being a satire of the moon hoax conspiracy movement, depicting the people that move in its shadows as self appointed guardians of truth, seeing themselves as martyrs to gullible masses, gate crashing to get themselves heard - when really, they don't. In fact, the take home message is they are free to express themselves and the freedom JW was granted is portrayed using ironic barbs that there were minders that intervened, that JW was an interloper, and he caused a stir. The whole article just reflects how lame conspiracy theorists are and just how damn boring they have become. I see JW's favorite attack mutt (StrayDog02) has left this lovely comment: The LYING PROPAGANDISTS on apollohoax*net are having a field day with this particular smear campaign against you.
Too bad the LIARS who engage in the character assassinations of you on that cesspit of a forum are too dense to comprehend that their continued lies and ridicule of you, only prove how frightened they are of the evidence you present. Evidence they can only "debunk" with ridicule and lies..Their pretense of you being the bad guy is not only absurd but completely transparent.Frightened of the evidence... I'm going to the gym before the laughing drains all my energy.
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Post by gillianren on Oct 12, 2010 15:21:22 GMT -4
I'd like to see one provable lie I, for one, have told. I do think the snark level around here is a little high, and I've said so in the past. But I think very few people here tell lies, and I think almost all of those who do are supporting the hoax.
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Post by tedward on Oct 12, 2010 15:30:59 GMT -4
Just read the comments by the one known as straydog02. What I read into that and previous posts is someone who is a follower. They have no direction but have latched on to JW, the JW who will not publish and hides on youtube. The follower stays with its master.
Reminds of the press releases from North Korea for some reason. Full of bluster and no facts.
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Post by drewid on Oct 12, 2010 15:36:31 GMT -4
Straydog falls foul of Wheaton's law 99% of the time, he's not worth the electrons it would take to reply.
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Post by Czero 101 on Oct 12, 2010 17:02:29 GMT -4
SrtayDog is Duane Damon, the guy who has had himself banned from pretty much all the "normal" forums for constant rule / etiquette violations. He was recently re-instated at EF, but then fell back into his usual habits and was put back on moderation there. He has proven time and again that he has no actual debate skills, no actual knowledge of what he speaks, and no desire to educate himself beyond what Jarrah and other die-hard CT's spoonfeed him.
Cz
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