Post by lukepemberton on Apr 9, 2011 12:43:48 GMT -4
The moonhoax takes about as much crushing as a two year old shelling peas. I'd like to know where this is on record. While I do not agree with Kaysing's views on Apollo, and understand he was welcome to his opinion, I think the record needs to be correct. If anything, in fairness to Kaysing, since he is not here to defend this claim.
'In the poor actors moon books of lies, many say the moon smelled like spent gunpowder. How does an aroma fill the air in a vacuum?' - NASAHOAX
'All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.' - Galileo Galilei
'It's fundamentally dishonest to use that man's authority without also his expertise.' - Jay Windley
Post by HeadLikeARock (was postbaguk) on Apr 21, 2011 4:46:32 GMT -4
I've never heard of Kaysing actually saying he believed the moon-landings happened.
What he did say however, is that he was asked by a Vietnam vet (who was disillusioned with the US government), to say something outrageous (presumably to discredit the government), such as they never went to the moon. There is a video of it out there in tinterweb world somewhere.
Me - "Only Grade A1 Shills are allowed in those most hallowed of forums, and I was a naughty boy when I called the US Gov evil buggers. My posting rights have been withdrawn pending my reprogramming. I can hear the helicopters coming for me..."
Cosmored aka DavidC - "Then why does it say 'Account Status Activated' on your profile page? It looks like you've been caught in a lie here."
Interviewer: "So you're working at the rocket place developing, working for the space program. You eventually leave the space program. At that point, did you know that the moon landings were going to be faked. 'Cause you said in 1959 the USA realized they couldn't put a man on the moon, so they started faking stuff. Why didn't you spill the beans right then?"
Kaysing: "Well, I don't know. What motivated me to spill the beans was a young man from the Vietnam wars by the name of John Grant. He said that he was sent to Vietnam to kill people with no good reason and he also got a heroin habit, and he says, "Bill," he says, "what I want you to do is blow the whistle on this rotten, corrupt government." He says, "Why don't you say something outrageous, like, we never went to the moon?" So I attribute my interest in this project to John Grant."
And the MP3 (10Mb-ish) can be downloaded here.. nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/ But be warned - it's long, hard on the ears, and frankly the interviewer is quite moronic (in keeping with his guest)..
In that, BK did sound as if he is a genuine hb, yet he raised all the usual and long, long debunked garbage, and also highly praised Ralph Rene as being far better than he, at providing 'evidence'.. Ralph Rene Good Grief, Charlie Brown. Forgive my mirth and incredulity - that wasn't just shooting himself in the foot, that was self-immolation..
That Jarrah White buys into this guy and repeats the absolute tripe he spewed, speaks volumes. (I confess I do suspect that JW stated out as a hb but is now simply trolling, and is semi-trapped in his role.)
(I confess I do suspect that JW stated out as a hb but is now simply trolling, and is semi-trapped in his role.)
Bingo. I think you're right on target.
Here's my take. Jarrah has invested an enormous amount of time, energy, and above all, ego in his position. He probably began with a sincere but naive belief, founded in ignorance, that the Apollo landings really were faked. As he got further into the details of Apollo -- and especially as others have patiently explained his errors in great detail -- he must have begun to have second thoughts. But by then it was much too late. He had already committed himself publicly, and there was no turning back.
I think his cynical actions (such as abuse of the DMCA) toward his most effective critics belie what's really going on inside his head.
With a since of humor like that, its little wonder he is both loved and hated.
This made me an instant fan.
On another occasion, Nardwuar persistently asked faith healer Ernest Angley if there was a cure for "the Summertime Blues", to which Angley angrily replied, "Oh I wish you would shut up, man. You know you're not even funny. You're lucky God don't strike you dead."
For those who wish to maintain an illusion, ignorance is the best source of knowledge.
Oh, youse canadians..!! Actually, I still found the interview moronic (admittedly I only listened to a bit past half way - did it get any better?), and there wasn't much of a hint that he (the interviewer) had either an opinion either way or any real grasp of the science / physics / basic logic involved (and perhaps the latter is explained by his 'style'), or a desire to be funny, or to find any reality. As the Wiki says: "His interview style can be quite grating and confusing"
I sorta feel sorry for Bill, as I think he was losing his mind as the years went by.
I don't feel sorry for him. He peddled rubbish, lied through his teeth about one of the great accomplishments of human history, disparaged hundreds of thousands of dedicated men and women, and freely made up claims of murder the no less loathsome for being absurd.
So whatever is going on in the world of JW? He is awfully quiet compaed to a few years back. Ever since the Las Vegas and Sydney newspapers handed his backside back to him in a somewhat tanned fashion we just dont get the usual retasting of our breakfast bile from the misunderstood boofhead.
"they have more than a problem..." flight loop Apollo 13