Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Post by Al Johnston on Feb 9, 2011 12:04:54 GMT -4
It's probably skewed downwards by higher neonatal and infant mortality (21st Century obstetrics does have its advantages) but I'd expect it to be higher than for tribes which have been contacted.
Probably higher than 19th Century Europe too.
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Jason
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Post by Jason on Feb 9, 2011 12:43:11 GMT -4
And if they do feel that wat, no one is stopping them wandering through the Jungle and locating other tribes that have more civilisation and learning about it. It should be their choice though. We both agree it should be their choice, but do they know what's out there? Yes. Cultural attitudes have changed a great deal since the native peoples you mention were first contacted by Western civilization. I'm not sure they do know where to find it. Well do you? |
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Post by Jason on Feb 9, 2011 12:55:45 GMT -4
"Trust us, you were happier when you always suffered from borderline malnutrition, had an average lifespan between 21 and 37 years (depending on location) with almost no chance to survive beyond 55, a violent death rate of around 30%, an infant mortality rate of around 60%, and treated your women like property."
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Post by gillianren on Feb 9, 2011 14:27:16 GMT -4
It's probably skewed downwards by higher neonatal and infant mortality (21st Century obstetrics does have its advantages) but I'd expect it to be higher than for tribes which have been contacted. Probably higher than 19th Century Europe too. Certainly higher than any previous tribe making First Contact. The population of the Americas dropped by 90% after colonization began. The awful part is that a lot of groups were killed by contact with other groups which had had contact with Europeans, not through direct contact. And most of the time, those were just because someone had happened to be sick. |
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Post by echnaton on Feb 9, 2011 15:00:18 GMT -4
Never let it be said we don't have anything of enduring value to offer the natives.  |
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Post by lionking on Feb 10, 2011 12:17:09 GMT -4
Seconding dis' lionking, you've said some pretty atrociously dumb stuff before, but I believe you've actually surpassed yourself with this. Or, in a word, " WHAT???" hahaha..that one made me laugh I meant that why didn't they evolve culturally as other people did. next time try to find a plausible explanation for things said to you |
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Post by lionking on Feb 10, 2011 12:21:56 GMT -4
What are they missing out on exactly? Global wars? Economic collapse? Paris Hilton? Antibiotics. Vaccinations. Sanitation. Corrective lenses. Indoor plumbing and hot water. Dentistry. Pre-natal care. Artificial limbs. Modern textiles. Modern hunting techniques and gear. Pocket lighters. Waterproof tents. Literature. Etc. this reminded me of a debate I had with someone who was tellign me that the ancient human being was more happy.. and that everything we created is to correct problems we braught to ourselves from civlization.. |
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Post by LunarOrbit on Feb 10, 2011 13:17:49 GMT -4
I meant that why didn't they evolve culturally as other people did. next time try to find a plausible explanation for things said to you There's an old saying, lionking, that goes "Say what you mean and mean what you say." It means be clear and honest in what you say so there will be no misunderstandings. Don't blame others for not understanding what you meant if the way you said it is not clear. |
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Post by lionking on Feb 10, 2011 13:25:14 GMT -4
I don't know maybe in english in is better to say progressed ...sometimes I translate my thaughts from arabic which could shift the meaning but still it is easier to think that I meant what I explained and not the Darwinian evolution
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Post by echnaton on Feb 10, 2011 14:22:25 GMT -4
Even a modestly charitable reading of what Linking meant when using "evolve" would not leave the reader with the impression she was referring to biological evolution. "Evolve" is often used in English to mean many other processes of change over time and we do know that she her English skills often lead to selecting words with out the regard to other meanings that native speakers normally employ. At worst the meaning in her usage was in doubt.
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Post by gillianren on Feb 10, 2011 16:41:04 GMT -4
At worst, she has a flawed understanding of so many things that it was not unreasonable for her to believe something else crazy.
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Post by lionking on Feb 11, 2011 4:11:25 GMT -4
At worst, she has a flawed understanding of so many things that it was not unreasonable for her to believe something else crazy. I will not rply to you by your same manner for respect of myself and the forum |
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Post by rick on Aug 12, 2011 16:10:23 GMT -4
Granted there are advantages and disadvantages to having contact with the rest of humanity, but if we are to treat them as human beings, surely we have to give them the option of whether they want this contact, rather than making the choice for them? I think any contact with them at all would be bad. Even a small tiny amount. First of all, we might make them sick and kill them all off. Secondly, if they decide to become modern and even love it, it would be horrible, even if they thought it would be good for them. A whole way of life and maybe even language will be gone forever. |
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Post by coelacanth on Sept 2, 2011 2:16:39 GMT -4
I vote for leaving them alone. What are they missing out on exactly? Global wars? Economic collapse? Paris Hilton? So why not join them? |
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