Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Feb 2, 2012 19:43:45 GMT -4
What is to say that the Apollo 8 and 10 images are not courtesy of unmanned probes. Lack of evidence for unmanned probes. |
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Post by ka9q on Feb 3, 2012 1:02:53 GMT -4
What is to say that the Apollo 8 and 10 images are not courtesy of unmanned probes. That seems quite possible to me. Not at all. First of all, every Apollo mission, including every lunar mission, returned pictures of the earth, and earlier in this thread you will see our own member threadworm present an exhaustive comparison of Apollo earth photography with contemporary weather information showing that their earth pictures were taken at the correct dates and times. This knocks down your hypothesis (wild unfounded speculation, actually) that they were all taken ahead of time. Secondly, in 1968 and 1969, the only technology available for returning extremely high quality images of the moon (especially high quality color) was to photograph it on large format photographic film (e.g., 70mm or larger) and to physically return that film to earth for processing. High quality electronic CCD imagers like those used on today's LRO (and the computers needed to handle them) would not be available for several more decades. And if you were to allege (without evidence, of course) that CCDs were available then to the secret parts of government, then why did classified spy satellites like the now-declassified KH-9 still use, as late as 1986, physical film return, a far more expensive, slow and clumsy method? The only system the United States has ever had for returning significant amounts of material from the moon or its vicinity is the Apollo spacecraft. Although the Lunar Orbiter satellites of the 1960s did use (black and white) film, it was not physically returned to earth; it was processed on board and electronically scanned, creating artifacts that are very conspicuous -- yet absent from the Apollo pictures. So if you are to claim that Apollo's high quality pictures of the moon (which match those now being returned by LRO, by the way) were taken by unmanned spacecraft, you must show not only which spacecraft and launches performed this task but you must also show how they physically returned their film to earth. I think you'll have great difficulty doing this. |
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Post by JayUtah on Feb 3, 2012 11:10:37 GMT -4
What is to say that the Apollo 8 and 10 images are not courtesy of unmanned probes. That seems quite possible to me. The fact that no such probes existed at the time, and no such probes could exist at the time. Why not claim that space angels took them? It's just as plausible, technologically speaking. |
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Post by Jason Thompson on Feb 3, 2012 11:15:55 GMT -4
What is to say that the Apollo 8 and 10 images are not courtesy of unmanned probes. That seems quite possible to me. Then please do explain where these unmanned probes with 70 mm Hasselblad film cameras in them were made and launched, and how they worked. Then explain how the Apollo 10 unmanned probes got pictures of the Apollo lunar and command modules. That requires those spacecraft to have gone to the Moon. Then explain the video and film footage of those spacecraft that are contemprary with those pictures. In fact, just provide any evidence of your 'possibilities' and we might start taking your posts more seriously. |
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Post by twik on Feb 6, 2012 14:50:34 GMT -4
What is to say that the Apollo 8 and 10 images are not courtesy of unmanned probes. That seems quite possible to me. THen please show evidence that these probes were ever launched, and how the technology worked. Otherwise, it's like saying, "What is to say that they were not taken by flying elephants?" Other than, of course, the fact that there is no evidence that they were, and much evidence that it could not have been done that way. |
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Post by dwight on Feb 6, 2012 15:29:37 GMT -4
I have only gone through the Apollo 8 and 10 images currently, it's pretty comprehensive. A few of the images have their arrows in the wrong places, but the images really speak for themselves. Great work. What is to say that the Apollo 8 and 10 images are not courtesy of unmanned probes. That seems quite possible to me. I think it is way more possible that a muppet or puppet or whatever one wants to call the varmit is either being difficult because they love the colour of their own font, or that they really cant accept the fact that they are wrong no matter how basic and simplified the explanation is. |
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Post by echnaton on Feb 6, 2012 23:53:41 GMT -4
Muppets? Did someone say Muppets? Then I say "Pigs in Space." Attachments:
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Post by tedward on Feb 7, 2012 4:51:17 GMT -4
What is to say that the Apollo 8 and 10 images are not courtesy of unmanned probes. That seems quite possible to me. Go on then, talk me through it. Day one. Launch pad, what is required? What camera etc and how are the orbits to be done. |
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