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Post by photobuster919 on Apr 25, 2011 14:49:29 GMT -4
This is a topic for general discussion about our main opponent on the hoax movement Jarrah White. I would like to state a few of my own opinions on Jarrah.
1. Jarrah is unoriginal. He has few new pieces of evidence supporting the hoax theory. Most of his videos are reiterating claims made by other HB's
2. Jarrah makes interesting points about cyberbullying and trolling. I am not a HB but I do agree that Windley goes too far with his criticism's of Kaysing etc.
3. Jarrah is a smart man when you really listen to him. He may not believe the truth about Apollo but he has a good knowledge of the space travel era, the Cold War and NASA
4. He may not have great maths skills but he's an excellent reader and brilliant at picking out good quotes to use
5. Jarrah seems to have other talents, eg acting, drawing Ranma etc.
6. Yes I do believe he genuinely mourns the fallen astronauts of the Apollo 1 fire
7. Good taste in music, eg Oasis, Faith Hill
8. He also likes anime, thats really cool
9. He appears to have some form of autism. I don't mean that in a bad way as I have AS so I know it is more of a good thing for many people
Please no bashing, I don't believe Jarrah's claims but as we are all critics, I believe everyone on this forum can develop their own review about Jarrah as a filmmaker. Anything else I missed out on, feel free to add anything on.
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Post by BertL on Apr 25, 2011 15:26:47 GMT -4
He used to be a brickfilmer, which is pretty awesome.
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Post by echnaton on Apr 25, 2011 17:03:42 GMT -4
4. He may not have great maths skills but he's an excellent reader and brilliant at picking out good quotes to use I can't say I've watched all his little films on YouTube, but he misuses quotes in the films I've seen. That is he tries to use them to say things that the originator of the quote did not intend. I think of that as propaganda not brilliance.
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Post by gillianren on Apr 25, 2011 17:07:13 GMT -4
Please no bashing, I don't believe Jarrah's claims but as we are all critics, I believe everyone on this forum can develop their own review about Jarrah as a filmmaker. Why should I care about him as a filmmaker? However good he may or may not be, he's spreading lies about history and science. He can like Ranma or not. I don't care. Jarrah as a person is singularly uninteresting to me.
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Post by photobuster919 on Apr 25, 2011 17:34:23 GMT -4
Please no bashing, I don't believe Jarrah's claims but as we are all critics, I believe everyone on this forum can develop their own review about Jarrah as a filmmaker. Why should I care about him as a filmmaker? However good he may or may not be, he's spreading lies about history and science. He can like Ranma or not. I don't care. Jarrah as a person is singularly uninteresting to me. He is spreading what I percieve and what many more here percieve as incorrect history and science, but Jarrah has the right to argue his own claims. His Little Gem, Flagging The Gems and Apollo 1 videos have been restored to youtube by the modeterators who confirmed Jarrah's videos had no right to be banned. This shows that its better for us to respect Jarrah has his own opinion about the moon landings. I don't believe them myself but I think he has the right to talk about them.
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Post by Bob B. on Apr 25, 2011 17:38:43 GMT -4
This shows that its better for us to respect Jarrah has his own opinion about the moon landings. I don't believe them myself but I think he has the right to talk about them. He has a right to his own opinions but not to his own facts.
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Post by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on Apr 25, 2011 18:22:42 GMT -4
The main opponent of reality is ignorance. Jarrah just happens to be a very loud ignoramus. Why he's an ignoramus, and why he's so desperate to publicly advertise his ignorance is completely irrelevant. Neither is the aesthetics of the packaging of his ignorance. He used to be a brickfilmer, which is pretty awesome. LOL.
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Post by echnaton on Apr 25, 2011 18:31:37 GMT -4
He is spreading what I percieve and what many more here percieve as incorrect history and science, but Jarrah has the right to argue his own claims. His Little Gem, Flagging The Gems and Apollo 1 videos have been restored to youtube by the modeterators who confirmed Jarrah's videos had no right to be banned. This shows that its better for us to respect Jarrah has his own opinion about the moon landings. I don't believe them myself but I think he has the right to talk about them. Since no one here is censoring him, can you explain who your comments are aimed at?
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Post by Obviousman on Apr 25, 2011 18:46:21 GMT -4
I diagree vehemently with your opinion. If he showed any intellectual honesty, he would correct / withdraw much of what he claims. Instead, he is aware of the inaccuracies of what he says but continues to sprout them. He has displayed intellectual cowardice in the same way; he has been given the opportunity to debate - in person - his theories with experts in mechanical physics, biomedical effects of ionizing radiation, etc, but refused to do so. This is because he knows he is wrong but refuses to admit it. He can make little snippets of video; so what? There are a multitude of people out there who do a far better job than him. He is nothing special in this regard. He uses music that you like; I actually dislike the music. That is not taste; you simply like the same music he does. I could easily use an old joke in this regard: " I display good taste; YOU have an opinion". He has been woeful in his dealings with Jay; I suggest you read this exchange: www.imdb.com/title/tt0446557/board/flat/133905495?p=1Jay tries to demonstrate that Jarrah does not really understand what he is quoting and misinterpreting what it says, but Jarrah refuses to learn (an indication he is NOT 'smart') and instead resorts to personal abuse on many occasions (the deleted posts). If, after spending hours and hours trying to educate this idiot, Jay gets a little terse from all the dodging / weaving / personal abuse then I think that is only understandable. Jarrah now tries to make himself the centre of attention by adopting a 'Bart Sibrel' style. No, Jarrah deserves not our praise but our scorn. To call him pond scum is offensive to algae.
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Post by gillianren on Apr 25, 2011 20:16:45 GMT -4
He is spreading what I percieve and what many more here percieve as incorrect history and science, but Jarrah has the right to argue his own claims. Technically true. However, if he's arguing incorrect claims (and this is not just a "perception"), he has the responsibility to acknowledge where he's wrong and change his stance on the subject. Actually, YouTube has the explicit right to ban whoever and whatever they want to. They have no obligation to provide a forum to anyone. A right, yes. So what? I don't have to respect what he says. He's wrong. Not all opinions are of equal weight, and his aren't. They are based on incorrect information, a faulty understanding of many fields, and trust in people he has no reason to trust. Many, many, many things he's cited as fact aren't. Tell me exactly why I should respect that.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 26, 2011 0:10:20 GMT -4
2. Jarrah makes interesting points about cyberbullying and trolling. I am not a HB but I do agree that Windley goes too far with his criticism's of Kaysing etc. Got to seriously disagree, Jay is very restrained in his critisim of people like Kaysing and Sibrel. Consider what the likes of Kaysing and Sibrel etc have done with their books, movies, stalking astronauts and do on, even White does it, he has stalked Adam Savage and Phil Plait at least, likely others. Jay has never done that. White simply has a thing against Jay because Jay has beaten time and again, so he's become paraniod about him. Heck Jay hasn't even been active in the debunking community for nearly 6 months now, and Jarrah is still peeing his pants about the guy.
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Post by carpediem on May 2, 2011 5:16:43 GMT -4
3. Jarrah is a smart man when you really listen to him. He may not believe the truth about Apollo but he has a good knowledge of the space travel era, the Cold War and NASA 4. He may not have great maths skills but he's an excellent reader and brilliant at picking out good quotes to use 5. Jarrah seems to have other talents, eg acting, drawing Ranma etc. 6. Yes I do believe he genuinely mourns the fallen astronauts of the Apollo 1 fire 7. Good taste in music, eg Oasis, Faith Hill 8. He also likes anime, thats really cool Why don't you two get a room? His Little Gem, Flagging The Gems and Apollo 1 videos have been restored to youtube by the modeterators who confirmed Jarrah's videos had no right to be banned. This shows that its better for us to respect Jarrah has his own opinion about the moon landings. I don't believe them myself but I think he has the right to talk about them. The dates on those videos show they have been re-uploaded recently, care to provide any evidence that YouTube moderators have restored them?
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Post by lukepemberton on May 2, 2011 6:46:14 GMT -4
3. Jarrah is a smart man when you really listen to him. He may not believe the truth about Apollo but he has a good knowledge of the space travel era, the Cold War and NASA 4. He may not have great maths skills but he's an excellent reader and brilliant at picking out good quotes to use. Jarrah is a smart man but does not have great math skills. That's an oxymoron. Maths skills are essential for digesting the complex data and science of Apollo. Not only are Jarrah's maths skills remedial, he's pretty poor at physics, chemistry, and biology and all the sub-branches of those sciences. I wouldn't know where to start listing his fallacious arguments, there are that many. His videos are a joke. As far as I am concerned he is welcome to make them and have his opinions, but he cannot replace facts that are bounded by good logic. Instead he resorts to cherry picking, quote mining, changing scope and deliberate omission; and quite often contradicts his own arguments. Worst of all, when shown evidence that shows his research to be poor/wrong, he ignores it and leaves his error ridden videos up. He will then respond to rebuttals with five minutes of poisoning the well, denigrating his perceived 'opponents', before finally taking them out of context or showing that he did not understand their rebutall in the first place. He is intellectually dishonest. In fact, the more tripe he produces the more ludicrous the hoax theory becomes, so he ought to be encouraged to carry on. Personally, I think he has done the hoax more damage than good, and that's saying something given those that have gone before him. Having said that I've actually thought about some of the things Gillianren has said to me at this board over the last month or two, and I have begun to pity Jarrah. My opinion is that he has some severe psychological issues. His friends should steer him towards counseling. If they are truly his friends, then they would. I've spent to much time thinking about him and paying him any attention. I do my very best to ignore him now. I wish a few more people at YouTube would do the same. Jarrah seems to have other talents, eg acting, drawing Ranma etc. Agree, and I have told him so. I wish he could free himself of the hoax. I believe his heart is in the right place, and he could do a lot of good exposing real issues in today's society. I believe that Jarrah White is a humanist, but he has become tangled up with people that are not. I even suggested that he travel in his magnificent country, and write about it. If he channelled his efforts into the here and now I believe he could be a successful writer.
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Post by gillianren on May 2, 2011 13:44:34 GMT -4
Jarrah is a smart man but does not have great math skills. That's an oxymoron. No, it isn't. My best friend is one of the smartest people I know, but she was taught math badly. Her math skills are deplorable. However, there are more ways to be smart than just mathematically and scientifically. It is, however, also true that she doesn't make arguments that require math, because she knows she isn't qualified. Which, to me, is one more piece of evidence that she's smart.
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Post by twik on May 2, 2011 16:46:47 GMT -4
He's a smart man who spreads lies and defames people. Why do you believe that the first part of that statement excuses him from the second? Assuming that he does have a lot of knowledge in certain areas, how could I know what was the truth, and what was part of his bizarre fantasies, along with his Appollo beliefs?
You say you're not a HB. However, you seem to believe that HBs should be free to criticise anyone, including accusing them of murder and fraud, and that someone else saying, "No, you're wrong about that, because...." is some sort of horribly cruel censorship.
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