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Post by photobuster919 on Apr 25, 2011 15:00:05 GMT -4
The other week, "The Truth About The Moon Landings" aired on my local TV station. I watched it with my dad simply because he never knew much about the hoax theory until I became interested.
This and "Conspiracy Theories : Did We Land On The Moon" are the best documentaries I've ever seen detailing the hoax and the two sides.
I was wondering what are the odds of another moon hoax documentary coming out on TV in the near future? I would be interested to see a new one with Jarrah, Sibrel, Plait etc (for or against I don't mind).
And just for the record I do believe Apollo but I would just like to see another show documenting the hoax, for more recent audiences.
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Post by gillianren on Apr 25, 2011 17:05:27 GMT -4
There aren't two sides. There is the truth and garbage people make up.
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Post by echnaton on Apr 25, 2011 17:19:32 GMT -4
The moon hoax is pretty old hat and the media appear to have moved on. It will take a few years before we have a new generation of gullible people to sap for money to support the hoax proponents combined with a new generation of hoax proponents that can tap into the anxiety of the new generation.
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Post by theteacher on Apr 25, 2011 18:22:12 GMT -4
The moon hoax is pretty old hat and the media appear to have moved on. It will take a few years before we have a new generation of gullible people to sap for money to support the hoax proponents combined with a new generation of hoax proponents that can tap into the anxiety of the new generation. W. David Woods writes in the preface of his informative book "How Apollo Flew to the Moon": "One of my motives for writing this book was to provide a little of the knowledge that might help to refute the absurd assertion that Apollo was faked". I'd say that 20 % of the preface is devoted to the hoax claims. So I think the hoax claims have brought forward a vast amount of evidence, that was not at hand to begin with, and so when the "old generation" of hoax proponents die out, the situation is so much different that promoting the hoax "theory" will be a completely different task - even more old hat as you put it.
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Post by photobuster919 on Apr 27, 2011 3:32:44 GMT -4
The moon hoax is pretty old hat and the media appear to have moved on. It will take a few years before we have a new generation of gullible people to sap for money to support the hoax proponents combined with a new generation of hoax proponents that can tap into the anxiety of the new generation. And I suppose you see this as evidence the media has moved on? www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110403/moon-landing-conspiracists-110403/Quite frankly I've seen many written articles about the moon hoax but nothing on TV for the past 8 years.
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Post by chrlz on Apr 27, 2011 4:41:27 GMT -4
It doesn't take much to look at the forums here, at Baut, ATS, etc, to see that there are very few deniers left, and those that are.. pretty much beyond help, logic or education, or just trolling. It's becoming a dead topic, as there is not one - I repeat, NOT ONE - denier claim that can't be shown to be uneducated drivel. So the last few trolls/idiots/snakeoilers have had to retreat to places like Youtube (where they can censor and hide from the truth) and the odd conspiracy-promoting forum where the moderation is biased towards the loonies.
Yes, it will get the occasional boost on anniversaries, or as new evidence (eg LRO) continues to flow in (and new 'fakery' theories have to be invented).
But frankly, 'photobuster', I suggest you find another obsession... Or if you are seriously interested, pick your absolute favorite 'proof' of a hoax, and then have a go at defending it. If you are not interested in that... then I've got to say that your posts here look a little like Jarrah spam...
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Post by echnaton on Apr 27, 2011 9:12:37 GMT -4
Yes I do. That is all that is left of the moon hoax in the media. An occasional misconstrued sensationalist stories articles put out for weekend filler that twists the subjects words into saying something he did not say or believe. As you say, the TV has dropped it all together. It seems the media is unwilling to invest much time or any money into promoting a the hoax theories today. But a moon hoax is a zombie, a stinking, rotten dead mass that will not stay buried. It is just a matter of time until someone with the right combination of paranoia and charisma digs the zombie up and proclaims it to be an innocent new born child. If the story is good enough to sell to a naive audience, the media will pay attention again.
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Post by twik on Apr 27, 2011 10:21:38 GMT -4
There's no foolishness so obvious that it can't be recycled. All it needs is some new packaging.
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Post by ka9q on Apr 27, 2011 11:13:45 GMT -4
I think a large part of the reason that the hoax has faded from view in the regular media (if you can consider FOX to be "regular media") is that its main proponents, Kaysing and Rene, are gone. So is Collier, and Percy, I think.
Bart Sibrel has already become a running joke thanks to a well-placed left hook from one of his targets. (A subsequent case of parking-lot rage didn't help either.)
That leaves the "grandson". Can you imagine him replacing Kaysing and Rene as the public symbol of the "hoax movement", as he apparently hopes to become? Kaysing and Rene, as crazy as they were, could still project a (phony) air of grandfatherly wisdom to a naive audience that the youthful, whiny-voiced grandson can never hope to have. I presume he can't even say that he was alive when Apollo happened.
Of course we can always hope that he goes mainstream just far enough to join Sibrel as a running joke on all the late night TV shows...
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Post by randombloke on Apr 27, 2011 12:43:11 GMT -4
There's no foolishness so obvious that it can't be recycled. All it needs is some new packaging. Oh so very, very true; a (totally non moon-related) story just started doing the rounds again recently; that of a German man who was found dead in his flat and partially devoured by this pet insects (of various sorts) having been poisoned by one of them. Except the actual, original, story was first published back in 2003 or so, the man had a different name and he had a heart attack, with the only reference to insects being that he had kept some. Basically anything that can get attention will turn up again if nothing else interesting happens that day.
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Post by lukepemberton on Apr 27, 2011 13:09:24 GMT -4
...as crazy as they were [Kaysing and Rene], could still project a (phony) air of grandfatherly wisdom to a naive audience... I'd say Kaysing projected the grandfatherly tone. Rene just came across as being bitter and twisted. I thought Rene gave bad interviews, and always sounded pretty dumb when he opened his mouth. I cringe when I hear Rene speak, not so much when I hear Kaysing. The theorists like to claim that the editors on the Penn and Teller show edited the film to show Rene in bad light. Well, if you're going to act like he did, you deserve to be exposed for talking rubbish and being a complete imbecile. Hopefully the hoax theory will die a death, but I feel echnaton has hit the nail right on the head. It's like a zombie, and it will jump up again and again and again.
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Apr 27, 2011 13:36:20 GMT -4
Rene just came across as being bitter and twisted. I thought Rene gave bad interviews, and always sounded pretty dumb when he opened his mouth. I cringe when I hear Rene speak, not so much when I hear Kaysing. The theorists like to claim that the editors on the Penn and Teller show edited the film to show Rene in bad light. Well, if you're going to act like he did, you deserve to be exposed for talking rubbish and being a complete imbecile. The UK Channel 5 documentary that tuned me into the notion that there even was a Moon Hoax Theory starred both Kaysing and Rene (as well as Jay) and while Kaysing came across as a decent enough guy with some misguided ideas, Rene just came across as angry and bitter and had a somewhat mocking tone in his voice whenever he talked about NASA's claims.
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Post by tedward on Apr 27, 2011 13:52:12 GMT -4
A big problem would be a presenter or journalist and increasingly in this day and age, the eye candy (male or female). If indeed they fronted such a show. The mistakes made today on simple enough stories is annoying and the public listen to them and this is from mainstream news orgs on the goggle box.
Anyone see the April 1st spaghetti tree harvest? I know people who fell for that.
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Post by ka9q on Apr 28, 2011 4:24:41 GMT -4
Anyone see the April 1st spaghetti tree harvest? I know people who fell for that. Do you know how old that one is? Didn't the BBC do it back in the 1950s or so?
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Post by gwiz on Apr 28, 2011 5:07:02 GMT -4
Anyone see the April 1st spaghetti tree harvest? I know people who fell for that. Do you know how old that one is? Didn't the BBC do it back in the 1950s or so? Do you know how old some of us are? I certainly saw it, presented by Richard Dimbleby.
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