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Post by redneckr0nin on Apr 28, 2011 13:01:39 GMT -4
Is it just me or do you notice the tinfoil troofers coming out of the woodwork lately. I have had to explain to the University of Conspiracy proof(YouTube) users many times I am not having a debate 420 characters at a time. Yet they won't allow a message, youtube won't allow links so it seems like knocking my head against the wall seems more effective.
I lost two friends that day, my friends lost family members and people they loved as well. I find this so disrespectful it makes me rage. It can't be helped I guess and reminds me of grade three to four when it was cool to be stupid. Not in my world mind you but the general opinion with a lot of the boys was " LOOK at me I got a F...I'm so dumb...I know you want to be my friend!"
Just venting everyone and this 10 years is going to be hard. I started checking out things that would remind me of the horrific day we all went through. Watching the jumpers again and seeing the plaza below...listening to Kevin Cosgrove and his phone call that ends in terror as the building collapses. Call me morbid I guess or nuts but I never want to forget the horror that day and to appreciate what I have and to try and make the world a better place through acceptance and caring. Hope your all well and love the forum very much still! Jesse
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Post by laurel on Apr 28, 2011 15:30:51 GMT -4
I lost two friends that day, my friends lost family members and people they loved as well. I find this so disrespectful it makes me rage. I sympathize, believe me. I also get very upset by the 9/11 conspiracists, and I didn't know anyone who died that day, so I can only imagine how difficult it is for you.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Sept 3, 2011 4:35:58 GMT -4
My third letter to Richard Gage who will be on Berkeley Radio on the 11th
To Mr. Gage, hope you are well.
This is the third time I've contacted you now, so perhaps this will elicit a response.
I’ve noticed you intend to shamelessly exploit the 10th anniversary of 9/11 in order to promote your DVD. Before you do that, however, I feel there are several things you must do in order to maintain any credibility:
(1) Stop hiding the Chris Mohr debate from the public, produce it into a DVD using some of the money you continuously beg the public for, and provide a link on your website. (2) Address the many flaws in your own work. One notable example, and something you promised, being the lack of heat in the dust that is necessitated by your theory. (3) Desist using the disingenuous technique of focussing on one point and claiming victory. This is not conducive to credible scientific debate – it’s more like the infantile use of factoids that plague internet discourse. (4) Stop trying to make money from your DVDs, using emotional blackmail, whilst the above flaws exist in your work – flaws you know very well to exist.
The 10th anniversary should be a moment of catharsis for the American public and world as a whole. It is not a time for shysters to con people, who are not given to independent research, and make money. If you have any decency in you at all, you will, at the very least, keep your theorising well away from the 10th anniversary.
Regards,
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Post by chrlz on Sept 4, 2011 6:22:08 GMT -4
RnR, can I ask you ... In normal day to day life (ie not when following links at Youtube or conspiracy forums), do you encounter any of these CTists or their claims? If the answer is no, then one would have to draw the conclusion that you are seeking them out. And that by doing so, you are introducing a strong bias in your perception. It only takes a few (or even one) crazy folk with access to the Internet to create the perception that something is widely believed. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with seeking it out and fighting for the truth (while I'm not into 911 all that deeply, I still pop my head up occasionally when I see the worst of the drivel), but there's no point getting all uptight about it. Just relax, and try have fun! (That may sound inappropriate, but I think you know what I mean..) Accept that there will always be paranoid, gov-hating weirdos out there (sometimes with good reason!), that you will never change their minds, and simply aim your rebuttals at the odd fence sitter that may pass by. BTW, I find staying cool and calm helps me to argue, without descending to the CTists tactics of ad hom, etc. Well, mostly...
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Post by coelacanth on Sept 4, 2011 7:11:57 GMT -4
In normal day to day life (ie not when following links at Youtube or conspiracy forums), do you encounter any of these CTists or their claims? The question was for someone else, but I'll volunteer my answer anyway . . . On a single occasion, I witnessed a moderately large group (more than a dozen) of people marching around carrying signs with slogans like "9/11 False Flag" and that sort of thing. I thought about walking up to them and asking whether they noticed that they were being photographed by people in dark suits hiding in the building across the street, just to feed their paranoia, but I didn't bother.
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Post by echnaton on Sept 4, 2011 8:15:32 GMT -4
In normal day to day life (ie not when following links at Youtube or conspiracy forums), do you encounter any of these CTists or their claims? The question was for someone else, but I'll volunteer my answer anyway . . . Me too. The only time I have seen Truthers is when visiting the World Trade Center a few years ago. Other than that no one has ever personally mentioned it to me. The only conspiracy mongers I have encountered without seeking them out is the relatively benign and insanely counterproductive Birthers.
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Post by redneckr0nin on Sept 8, 2011 7:45:31 GMT -4
RnR, can I ask you ... In normal day to day life (ie not when following links at Youtube or conspiracy forums), do you encounter any of these CTists or their claims? If the answer is no, then one would have to draw the conclusion that you are seeking them out. And that by doing so, you are introducing a strong bias in your perception. It only takes a few (or even one) crazy folk with access to the Internet to create the perception that something is widely believed. Don't get me wrong - there's nothing wrong with seeking it out and fighting for the truth (while I'm not into 911 all that deeply, I still pop my head up occasionally when I see the worst of the drivel), but there's no point getting all uptight about it. Just relax, and try have fun! (That may sound inappropriate, but I think you know what I mean..) Accept that there will always be paranoid, gov-hating weirdos out there (sometimes with good reason!), that you will never change their minds, and simply aim your rebuttals at the odd fence sitter that may pass by. BTW, I find staying cool and calm helps me to argue, without descending to the CTists tactics of ad hom, etc. Well, mostly... Oh I am relaxed and I do have fun, I have more fun in life than most people I know I think. I have spent the majority of this summer working my golf game(handicap of 6 trying for 4), professional photography, and other hobbies as well as studies that are for my own pleasure. To answer your question ..Yes....Yes I do run into these people on almost a daily basis and definite daily basis if you include other forums( non conspiracy based) that have a section for general topics or a geo-political section for debate. I do believe you are right as well in part...I do search them out in a sense. The state of education within our society is bleak at best....the main reason is it takes focus off the real issues that should be worked on( Americas foreign policy and commitment to mingling within the affairs of others). I am Canadian but I love the United States and would very much like to see it pull out of the rut it seems to be in. I also can't stand the pubic and socially popular view of slandering and accusations of the States being a evil and lying country. It seems that people forget what that country has done for the world the last 70+ years. Mostly it is out of respect for two dear family friends that lost their lives that day. It is out of respect for their families and other loved ones that they don't have to deal with this garbage on a almost weekly basis ten years after the fact. It is in regards to putting up a resistance to those that would profit and look to gain notoriety through this nonsense I attempt! The acceptance of ignorance in our society is a dangerous action indeed IMHO. It devalues humanity and our progression/evolution, it is insulting and degrading, it is something...frankly...I won't sit idle and let go without my opinion being stated! Do I think I will change the CT opinions or thoughts?.....probably not....however may I effect the anonymous viewer or reader to maybe research these events for themselves and therefore come to a conclusion that is pretty much certain if science and physics are used?......you bet! I know I have and I know those in turn may not do the same as I but I know they won't sit idle either and listen to the verbal diarrhea that is these theories!
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Post by laurel on Sept 8, 2011 12:35:06 GMT -4
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Post by gillianren on Sept 8, 2011 12:50:16 GMT -4
I've talked to two people I think ever who are 9/11 conspiracy theorists. One of them could probably be dissuaded if we sat and talked on the subject for five minutes. The other thinks it's fun to think that way. I really don't like the second one. But most of the people I talk to on the subject think the whole idea is nonsensical, even if they're JFK conspiracy theorists. (I find that latter to be about the only conspiracy theory which ever exists in a person in isolation.) Maybe not as nonsensical as Apollo, but not plausible at very least. My best friend will occasionally rant about "steel doesn't melt in fire" and go on about how this means there must be car trees, in fact.
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