Emotions and Water Crystals

[lionking]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnbZN54IZNE&feature=related

they say a Japanese scientist studied the effect of words and emotions on crystals.. can anyone comment please

[chew]

Cherry picked results of subjective criteria. Notice the video only shows one crystal from each "experiment".

[lionking]

thank you chew for your reply [maybe Ijust changed the water crystals in your body )

I am still reading about the experiment.. here is what I found

Water from clear mountain springs and streams has beautifully formed crystalline structures, while the crystals of polluted or stagnant water are deformed and distorted.
Distilled water exposed to classical music takes delicate, symmetrical crystalline shapes.
When the words "thank you" were taped to a bottle of distilled water, the frozen crystals had a similar shape to the crystals formed by water that had been exposed to Bach's "Goldberg Variations" (see right) -- music composed out of gratitude to the man it was named for.

When Elvis Presley's "Heartbreak Hotel" was played to water, the resulting frozen crystals were split in two.

When water samples are bombarded with heavy metal music or labeled with negative words, or when negative thoughts and emotions are focused intentionally upon them, the water does not form crystals at all and displays chaotic, fragmented structures.
When water is treated with aromatic floral oils, the water crystals tend to mimic the shape of the original flower. At right, water crystals were exposed to aromatic essence of chamomile.


www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html

the last one has pic so please check the site..more than a crystal is shown that is like the aromatic flowers
I'll see more articles

[lionking]

Introduction: In an Advanced Placement Psychology class at Durango High School our group attempted to replicate Dr. Masaru Emoto's water experiments. In his studies, Dr. Emoto showed a correlation between thoughts or messages and the formation of water crystals.

Original Methods: In his experiment Dr. Emoto used about fifty different water sources varying from glacial water in Japanese mountains to filtered water from a faucet. Dr. Emoto attached different messages to each water sample and even had a Buddhist monk bless some of them. Some of the messages were: "Love and Gratitude," "Thank you," and "You make me sick." He included a variety of positive and negative thoughts. He then froze the water samples on Petri dishes in a freezer at -4 degrees Fahrenheit for 3 hours. His stated results showed a strong correlation between the message and the formation of the water crystals. Water samples with optimistic messages on them created "nice-looking" crystals and the ones with pessimistic messages created "ugly" crystals.

Critique: Dr. Emoto's experiment appears to have overlooked certain variables, and some of his conclusions may be based on assumptions that are not necessarily true. For example, Dr. Emoto failed to realize that there are hundreds of crystals in one drop of water, and through "experimenter bias" he may have subconsciously noticed certain crystals while disregarding others because of the suggestion of a certain message. In other words, he could have looked through thousands of crystals to find a beautiful one if he knew the message was a positive one, and -- consciously or unconsciously -- he could have looked for an ugly crystal if he knew the message was a negative one. Dr. Emoto does not state if the experiment was a double blind study, in which he was unaware of which messages were attached to which water sample, a measure that would eliminate this kind of experimenter bias. Because of this, we do not know if Emoto only photographed the "pretty" crystals because of the positive messages or was unconsciously drawn to "scary" crystals when he looked at samples with negative messages. His experiment is also open to diverse interpretations. He implies that certain crystal structures may reflect the thought that was attached to them, but he fails to recognize that there may be other relevant interpretations for analyzing the crystal formations. Because of the unnoticed variables in the experiment, our high-school A.P. Psychology group decided to try to remake Dr. Emoto's experiment.

Our Methods: Replicating Dr. Emoto's experiment proved to be a little more challenging than we originally thought it would be. Dr. Emoto got most of his water samples from the mountains of Japan; we had to settle with water from the Animas River, and other various water samples. This may have created a discrepancy in our conclusions, but both experiments tested the effect of thought on water, so the water type should have had no bearing on our results. We also used a control group for each type of water: A sample that had no message attached. We had five different types of water: Dasani, tap water, river water, filtered tap water, and tap water from a different location. Each type of water was labeled with a color, and for each type we attached 5 different messages to 5 different microscope slides containing the water sample, as well as having one "control" slide with no message. So all together we made 30 slides. The messages we used were "I despise you," "You make me sick," "Thank you," "Love and Gratitude," and "You are beautiful." We taped the messages, as well as a piece of colored paper that corresponded to the water type, onto the bottom of each slide. We were unaware of which message was on which slide in each water group. Although we took special precautions and were careful about experimenter bias, our experiment was not as wide-scale as Dr. Emoto's. We didn't have nearly as many samples as Dr. Emoto did. Another difficulty we faced was the temperature of the freezer and the time that we left the water in the freezer. Our freezer ranged from -2 to -10 degrees Fahrenheit, while Emoto's was at -4 degrees. This created different freezing times for the water samples. We had to wait until a thin layer of crystals was just beginning to form on the surface of the water before we could analyze them underneath our microscope, but at the same time, we could not let the water freeze completely or else we could not observe any crystals. We also used glass slides instead of Petri dishes, another source of possible discrepancy.

Conclusion: We did not find sufficient evidence to refute or accept Emoto's hypothesis that thought influences water crystal formation. We noticed one interesting similarity between two separate groups of water samples: Similar crystals formed on the same message, "I despise you." But, for the most part, the crystal formations in each water sample resembled each other, regardless of the messages attached to them. We concluded that in order to make a significant finding, further research would have to be done. So, for now, we will have to live with our curiosity and continue to wonder if our thoughts have the power to influence water and ultimately ourselves.

Amanda White,
Robbie Else,
Scott Wilson,
Damian Nash (teacher).
AP Psychology Class
Durango High School
May 25, 2004

Note: Science-minded readers will appreciate the study done by Kristopher Setchfield at www.is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/

this is what a reviewer who replicated the results wrote..so there is no clear result that they could come up with .. still interesting to look at and further research

www.amazon.com/Hidden-Messages-Water-Masaru-Emoto/dp/1582701148

[lionking]

web.archive.org/web/20060202105450/www.newageretailer.com/for-retailers/emasaruemoto_web.pdf

here is an interview with him.. .. I would like to see the resemblance of crystlas to the elephant and shrine.. but I am a bit lazy now to search ..it is almost 10 P.M. here.. we'll see later.. good night

[Tanalia]

Old crap given new life through YouTube...

Water Cluster Quackery

[lionking]

I wouldn't say it is crap but it needs more scientific experiments and control to be verified..that he says that a flake rsembled a shrine , another one resembled an elephant, and theother resembled flowers as i could see in accordance withthe themes the water was exposed to is interesting. I wouldn't take it as a fact however before someone could confirm or defy this scientiffically

[lionking]

I am sharing more of what I found

www.hadousa.com/beforeafter.html


the methods are explained here for this trial
www.hadousa.com/makingof.html

[lionking]

here he says if anyone has questions he can ask
www.masaru-emoto.net/english/ephoto.html
and proposes t otest samples for people if they fill certain application..mmm I would like to test certain words..I bet you want to test Nasa and Apollo maybe Armstrong.. lunar module..moon.. whatever..

[chrlz]

If I could be bothered asking them there..

Where are the 'controls'?

Indeed, where is the full methodology and raw data from these 'experiments'?

Where has he addressed any form of confirmation bias, other than giving many hints he is engaged in it, eg..

researcher must be very patient and focused since not all samples form into photographable crystals

How many times do similar patterns appear in inkblots?

How has he addressed paredolia?

How has he addressed the blind/double blind test?

Where is a statistical analysis of the *actual* appearance of confirmed patterns, along all those lines?

What is he a Doctor of? (University and discipline please)

If someone else wants to post these questions to him, feel free, but frankly, the site reeks of claptrap, sorry.

[gillianren]

How does anyone keep falling for this garbage?

[lionking]

Jun 11, 2011 21:29:31 GMT -4 chrlz said:

If I could be bothered asking them there..

Where are the 'controls'?

Indeed, where is the full methodology and raw data from these 'experiments'?

Where has he addressed any form of confirmation bias, other than giving many hints he is engaged in it, eg..

researcher must be very patient and focused since not all samples form into photographable crystals

How many times do similar patterns appear in inkblots?

How has he addressed paredolia?

How has he addressed the blind/double blind test?

Where is a statistical analysis of the *actual* appearance of confirmed patterns, along all those lines?

What is he a Doctor of? (University and discipline please)

If someone else wants to post these questions to him, feel free, but frankly, the site reeks of claptrap, sorry.

would you send them to the site? if you ever d oplease share the answers

[lionking]

download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/1550-8307/PIIS1550830706003272.pdf

this is a double-blind study that confirms what he said. methods are explained.

and this is a tripple - blind one
www.deanradin.com/papers/emotoIIproof.pdf

[chrlz]

Jun 12, 2011 15:22:01 GMT -4 @lionking said:

download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/1550-8307/PIIS1550830706003272.pdf

this is a double-blind study that confirms what he said. methods are explained.

and this is a tripple - blind one
www.deanradin.com/papers/emotoIIproof.pdf

lionking, I'm curious... Do you understand the concept of peer review, and what journals are 'respected' authorities? What 'Impact Factor' means? Have those articles ever been cited or reviewed elsewhere? You did notice they were both done by the exact same people?

(And there is an interesting Apollo link here - can anyone see where this road leads back to dear old Edgar Mitchell?)


And can you spot any problems with the methodology? I don't have time right now to go into detail, but even at first glance, I can see issues with those...

Hint - 'subjective' versus 'objective'.

Added... BTW, the fact that mr radin named the second file ...'PROOF' speaks volumes about the UNscientific approach being used by these people.

[echnaton]

Jun 11, 2011 11:41:40 GMT -4 @lionking said:

I wouldn't say it is crap....

No you wouldn't. But it is crap. Loads of crap. It is no more real than your magnetic people.

Jun 11, 2011 22:25:09 GMT -4 gillianren said:

How does anyone keep falling for this garbage?

It boggles the mind to contemplate an answer.