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Post by lukepemberton on Jun 29, 2011 17:24:25 GMT -4
Moth to headlights? More like rubberneckers at a big train wreck. I admit it, it's hard to resist. Yes, it's getting more like a train wreck with each installment of his Moonfaker series. The LRO and bootprints did it for me. After that point I simply could not take him seriously. It was hard enough before, but that particular bucket of pig swill made up my mind.
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Post by theteacher on Jun 30, 2011 7:51:42 GMT -4
The LRO and bootprints did it for me. Interesting you mention it, as those two did it for me too. I had a hard time believing, that he said what he did.
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Post by lukepemberton on Jun 30, 2011 12:40:24 GMT -4
The LRO and bootprints did it for me. Interesting you mention it, as those two did it for me too. I had a hard time believing, that he said what he did. Sorry, when I say the LRO and the boot prints, I meant in a singular sense. He took Aldrin's bootprint, reduced it down to 1 or 2 pixels in width and layed it over the Apollo 11 LRO picture, and made a big song and dance about how easily the LRO pictures could be faked. That's what did it for me. I actually felt shocked that someone could present such an absurd analysis and still manage to negotiate the dangers of life without suffering an accident. But yes, his boot print theories are another good example. Withstanding the small fact that he has no understanding of the material science he discusses, the glaring contradictions he makes between his regolith simulant in a box experiment and Project Sandbox are startling.
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Post by theteacher on Jun 30, 2011 13:40:28 GMT -4
Interesting you mention it, as those two did it for me too. I had a hard time believing, that he said what he did. Sorry, when I say the LRO and the boot prints, I meant in a singular sense. He took Aldrin's bootprint, reduced it down to 1 or 2 pixels in width and layed it over the Apollo 11 LRO picture, and made a big song and dance about how easily the LRO pictures could be faked. That's what did it for me. I actually felt shocked that someone could present such an absurd analysis and still manage to negotiate the dangers of life without suffering an accident. Yes, that was the one, I primarily had in mind. Really incredible. It made me stop watching his movies, so my recollection of what was in what movie is fading...
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Post by lukepemberton on Jun 30, 2011 14:00:11 GMT -4
Yes, that was the one, I primarily had in mind. Really incredible. It made me stop watching his movies, so my recollection of what was in what movie is fading... I do sometimes wish my memory of his movies would fade entirely. It would be far less painful that way.
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Post by ka9q on Jun 30, 2011 14:39:55 GMT -4
He blocked me a year ago, so I'm unable to ask the one question I would most like to ask him and every other hoaxer:
What evidence, if any, would make you change your mind and accept the reality of the Apollo missions?
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Post by rob260259 on Jun 30, 2011 14:43:10 GMT -4
Yes, that was the one, I primarily had in mind. Really incredible. It made me stop watching his movies, so my recollection of what was in what movie is fading... I do sometimes wish my memory of his movies would fade entirely. It would be far less painful that way. I developed a kind of notch for his QRM. So I kind of made him fade...
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Post by gillianren on Jun 30, 2011 15:17:20 GMT -4
I have a foolproof method of not remembering his videos. I don't watch them.
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Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Post by Al Johnston on Jun 30, 2011 15:18:00 GMT -4
Works for me ;D
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Post by frenat on Jun 30, 2011 21:42:03 GMT -4
I don't watch mainly because I can't stand his voice.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jul 2, 2011 11:45:04 GMT -4
He blocked me a year ago, so I'm unable to ask the one question I would most like to ask him and every other hoaxer: What evidence, if any, would make you change your mind and accept the reality of the Apollo missions? He said in the BOA interview that he (like Kaysing) would believe the moon landings were real if he saw the objects like the lunar rover on the surface. But even if we gave him a telescope and allowed him to look he would just make up an excuse not to believe like every other HB. "Ooooh NASA could have sent an unmanned probe" is something along the lines of how Jarrah would respond. I will be curious to see the media's reaction if Jarrah does go to the TAM.
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Post by gillianren on Jul 2, 2011 14:05:29 GMT -4
They reacted very little last year.
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Post by ka9q on Jul 2, 2011 18:03:39 GMT -4
JW has already been given a telescope and seen artifacts like the lunar rovers on the surface: LRO. He just waves his hands and shouts "Photoshop!" Exactly as I predicted before LRO reached the moon.
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Post by lukepemberton on Jul 3, 2011 21:11:19 GMT -4
JW has already been given a telescope and seen artifacts like the lunar rovers on the surface: LRO. He just waves his hands and shouts "Photoshop!" Exactly as I predicted before LRO reached the moon. Another reason I try to ignore him. He's got his proof, but simply has not got the guts to admit he was wrong. It's becoming a matter of saving face, and the easiest way is to carry on with his hoax rubbish. Time he got over it and devloped a new hobby.
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Post by ka9q on Jul 6, 2011 18:25:22 GMT -4
Agreed. He may well have gotten into this sincerely questioning the Apollo landings, but there has to have been a point where he privately realized that they really did happen. But by then he'd published so many videos, perhaps already appointing himself the "grandson of the hoax theory" that he was committed. There was no backing down, at least not in public.
I've probably mentioned this book before, but Robert Park (of the American Physical Society) wrote a book about fraudulent science and technology: "Voodoo Science: The Road From Foolishness to Fraud". It's theme is similar: many fraudulent inventions start with someone, usually not well educated in the relevant fields, honestly thinking that he's discovered something big. His sincerity ingratiates him with investors, who shower him with money, perks and above all, gushing attention.
Eventually he realizes that he was wrong; his device really doesn't work, at least not yet. But by then it's too late -- he's hooked. And soon he crosses what I personally consider the brightest shining moral line in the entire engineering profession: he fakes his first demo. He rationalizes it as "what they don't know won't hurt them" because he still thinks he can make it work for real. He just needs a little more time...
Of course, the reason he's having trouble is that what he's trying to do violates some fundamental law of physics, only he doesn't realize it. And then he fakes it again, and again...
All in all, I recommend this book for the look it gives into the psyche of the people we often simplistically label as "crackpots". They're real people who, partly due to ignorance, partly due to greed, made some unfortunate decisions.
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