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Post by fattydash on Jul 12, 2011 21:18:57 GMT -4
For Jay and LunarOrbit above
I have never engaged in the practice of sock-puppetry on the ApolloHoax web site. Every time I have posted, I have posted as fattydash. My fattydash registration was from May.
There are no posts on this web site at all from me under another identification "name". Fattydash is the only name I have used in my posts here on the Apollohoax web site.
I hope that clears things up. If someone is suggesting there are other posts here on Apollohoax where that person is claiming to be me, or you believe there are posts under a name other than fattydash you believe were authored by me, please show them to me LunarOrbit. I mean that with the greatest sincerity. Show them to me and I am quite sure I would be able to recognize them as posts penned by another. My writing style and approach to the Apollo problem are rather distinct as you know.
Respectfully fatt d
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Post by laurel on Jul 12, 2011 21:22:31 GMT -4
For Jay and LunarOrbit above I have never engaged in the practice of sock-puppetry on the ApolloHoax web site. Um, yes you have. You registered here as BFischer, the name of one of your BAUT socks. You didn't post as him because the moderator caught you and deleted the account. Why did you register multiple accounts here and why did you engage in sock-puppetry on BAUT? |
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 12, 2011 21:29:25 GMT -4
I have never engaged in the practice of sock-puppetry on the ApolloHoax web site. Every time I have posted, I have posted as fattydash. You might not have posted under another name, but you certainly did register at least one two sock-puppet accounts (bfischer and paulmorphy). That demonstrates an intention to deceive people, and I have no doubt that you would have posted under those other names if I had not deleted them. And what about your multiple accounts on the BAUT forum? Do you deny those? Not in the slightest. I'm still left wondering why you feel deception is acceptable behaviour for someone who claims to be a doctor. |
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 12, 2011 21:49:25 GMT -4
I have never engaged in the practice of sock-puppetry on the ApolloHoax web site.Carefully worded, and false. I didn't ask about this site specifically. I asked why you feel that honest debate allows you to pretend to be different people. Keep in mind that many of us also read and post to BAUT. I hope that clears things up.Not in the least. You answered the question you wished we had asked, not the one we actually asked. Please justify pretending to be different people. Don't try to carefully deny having done it.
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Post by fattydash on Jul 12, 2011 22:05:49 GMT -4
The fattydash account simply did not work at first, not sure why or would have posted back in May here. I did register under another name more recently and did that for the very reason that the fattydash registration was not giving me posting access. But that resistration did not give me posting access either. It simply wasn't functional, wasn't giving me access to post on the site. So I was registered, but not able to log on in the sense I could post and I tried the fattydash one a bunch of times. I cannot remember the specifics, but if you look back from May on, I don't believe you'll see any posts from me.
Then for whatever reason, the system started working for me under the fattydash name. I do not know what happened, just did. But I never logged on and posted under a different name here. I am sure you can determine that from your records. Should be quite clear. Look to see if there are posts under the other name. I do not believe you will find any.
So the other registration was just another try to get on because fattydash wasn't working and I had tried since May and it did not work. I think that claim should be supported by the absence of posts under it back then. Obviously I like to do this stuff so if it was working I would have posted. I cannot recall if it was 100% inaccessable, but believe it was.
Were I to have registered here a second time under a different user name in an effort to engae in sock-puppetry, I would have posted under a different name and I clearly have not done that, posted under another identity. In addition, I most certainly I would not have registered for a sock character using the same email account as the fattydash account. That point right there should make my argument as regards my intentions. If I was trying to hide who I was, create a different character, I would not create that character with the same email address. Makes no sense. It is simply not consistent with a sock mo.
I have always and only been fattydash here. I hope that clears things up.
Respectfully, fatty d
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Post by laurel on Jul 12, 2011 22:08:24 GMT -4
And the BAUT socks...?
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Post by fattydash on Jul 12, 2011 22:33:46 GMT -4
I do not believe my activities on other web sites have anything at all to do with my activity here. If there is evidence for me engaging in sock-puppetry here on Apollohoax.net forum, then by all means ban me. I should be banned. If there is no such evidence, then I respectfully request to continue my debate with gren, Bob, Jason, Jay, twik, scooter and the others.
Apart from that one difficulty I had with Jason, we have all gotten along well enough and learned from one another. And as regards my problem with Jason, I admitted I was in the wrong and I very much was. I apologized and he accepted my apology. I find him to be honorable and admire his passion for the subject, as I do with regard to the others here. We are all learning about Apollo and this spirited debate has made us all more aware of the strengths and weaknesses of our respective positions.
I mean no one any harm. I have been fair. I believe you would be hard pressed to find another who has been here that has made as strong an effort to answer your questions. I realize you believe me to be evasive at times, though such is not the case. There is so much material to cover and so many questions coming from your side, it is hard for us over here to deal with your posts just based on the volume of them.
Thanks.
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Post by laurel on Jul 12, 2011 22:43:14 GMT -4
I do not believe my activities on other web sites have anything at all to do with my activity here. I see you're choosing to evade Jay's question about "why you feel that honest debate allows you to pretend to be different people." Maybe you should have made an effort to learn about Apollo before making blatant declarations of fraud like the title of this thread. You could have asked questions instead of making these accusations. |
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Post by fattydash on Jul 12, 2011 23:06:20 GMT -4
I was under the impression that our lives away from this web site were our lives away from this web site. I do not understand what my activites at home, work, school, play have to do with our debate here. If there is some provisions in your rules for debate at Apollohoax.net that our personal lives are to be open for discussion, I may choose not to continue here. Fair enough. If on the other hand, this site is about debating Apollo and if I have not broken any rules, then I wish to continue. I cannot make my views more clear. Thank you.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 12, 2011 23:10:08 GMT -4
I do not believe my activities on other web sites have anything at all to do with my activity here.You're the only one trying to limit the question to your activity here. I certainly am not. I'm asking you why you need to pretend to be other people as part of proving your points. I'm asking about your character. Now answer the question and stop stalling. You can prove that you mean no harm to people by explaining why you tried to deceive them.
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Post by laurel on Jul 12, 2011 23:11:23 GMT -4
Nice strawman argument, Fattydash. And you say you want to debate Apollo, but I see you're ignoring the pending question asked by myself and Blackstar in your Apollo 8 thread.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 12, 2011 23:11:33 GMT -4
We know that precise location today as that of Tranquility Base at lunar Coordinates 00 41 15 N and 23 26 00 E. That is not the precise location today. Over the years the coordinates have been refined as our understanding of the Moon's shape has improved. Today the location of the LRRR is measured to be 0.67337 N, 23.47293 E. The LM coordinates are 0.67408 N, 23.47297 E based on the estimated position of the LM being 1.2 m east and 21.4 meters north of the LRRR. |
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 12, 2011 23:14:18 GMT -4
The fattydash account simply did not work at first, not sure why or would have posted back in May here. I did register under another name more recently and did that for the very reason that the fattydash registration was not giving me posting access. Even if I believed that you had a legitimate reason for creating additional accounts here (and I don't), it still doesn't explain why you posted under so many accounts on the BAUT forum. Your actions here are not the only thing people are going to base their opinion of you on. My approval is required before new members can post. I have it set up this way so that I can catch sock-puppets. It's unfortunate that dishonest people have forced me to impose such a requirement. Nope. Try again. Why did you post under so many names on the BAUT forum? Surely you can understand why that might cause me to question your motives here. You see, that is the consequence of having a history of dishonesty... it makes it difficult for people to trust you even when you are telling the truth. A doctor would especially understand the need for trust. |
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 12, 2011 23:17:45 GMT -4
I was under the impression that our lives away from this web site were our lives away from this web site. I do not understand what my activites at...No one is asking about your personal life. We're asking about your other attempts to argue Apollo hoaxes with largely the same audience in another forum. You blatantly attempted to fool them there, and our moderator is under the impression you've done the same here. I'm not interested in your silly tap-dancing attempts to say that your attempted sock-puppetry here was a genuine account difficulty. I want to know why you lied. ...our personal lives are to be open for discussion, I may choose not to continue here.If that's what you need in order to make a face-saving departure, be my guest. You simply go around in circles anyway. But in fact not one person has asked about your private life. We've asked about your Apollo hoax debating reputation. In that you tried to take us to task for our comportment in this debate, you opened the door to this line of questioning. Answer, please.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 12, 2011 23:22:00 GMT -4
I was under the impression that our lives away from this web site were our lives away from this web site. I do not understand what my activites at home, work, school, play have to do with our debate here. If there is some provisions in your rules for debate at Apollohoax.net that our personal lives are to be open for discussion, I may choose not to continue here. Fair enough. If on the other hand, this site is about debating Apollo and if I have not broken any rules, then I wish to continue. I cannot make my views more clear. Thank you. I hate to break it to you, but if people become aware of your behaviour elsewhere they are going to use that as a part of their opinion of you. It's no different online than it is in the real world. For example, if someone commits a murder in the United States and then flees to Australia, the Australian authorities aren't going to say "Meh, whatever. What he did in America has no bearing on whether we should allow him in our country." If you don't want a reputation for dishonest behaviour to follow you to every forum you join then don't be dishonest. It's really that simple. |
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