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Post by photobuster919 on Jul 18, 2011 14:05:23 GMT -4
Firstly I agree with previous posts, Jarrah in most of his videos attempts to promote the claims of Rene, Kaysing, Sibrel and others. He even stated that as Ralph Rene was a close friend of his, it has been in Jarrah's greatest interest to make sure Rene's research is put out there, including his beliefs on 9/11.
He has brought little to no original claims that the Apollo missions were falsified. The reason is because he has none. If he had any real proof of a hoax some credentialed experts in the areas would have praised his work. This is the simple reason we here at apollohoax encourage Jarrah to write up his work and have it reviewed.
But cherrypicking quotes is another example of Jarrah's misguided video talents. These phrases generally don't have any relevance to Jarrah's beliefs but he interprets the words however way he wants. He then picks a quote from another publication and twists it to entertain the viewers and to convince them that two sources agree with his claim.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 18, 2011 14:44:04 GMT -4
Thanks, photobuster919.
I think you guys have adequately answered my questions, though I do have another. Does Jarrah have many fans or followers? I know Jack White always had a group of sycophants that viciously defended him. Does Jarrah have similar followers?
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Post by gillianren on Jul 18, 2011 14:54:49 GMT -4
We've encountered a few here.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jul 18, 2011 15:08:15 GMT -4
Thanks, photobuster919. I think you guys have adequately answered my questions, though I do have another. Does Jarrah have many fans or followers? I know Jack White always had a group of sycophants that viciously defended him. Does Jarrah have similar followers? As has been established before, Jarrah has confined himself to a single Youtube channel. Other than the few here who prefusely fail to see the logic in counter-claims to the Apollo hoax theories, there will always be that small minority here that turn to HB and therefore follow Jarrah. But Jarrah's only other fans are those who are watered by Jarrah in his isolated Youtube garden. He used to use forums until he was banned for inappropriate language and abuse of his foes, particularly Windley. So in short there are a few but in general less and less people are agreeing with Jarrah as time passes. This is due to the fact the people who learn more hear about his bad internet past and false logic in many videos particularly with former astronaut Brian O' Leary.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 18, 2011 15:47:57 GMT -4
It sounds like he’s not attracting a big following, which is good. Unfortunately there will always be some who fall in with bad company, such poor misguided Vincent. As long as Jarrah stays at YouTube and keeps making a fool of himself, the damage he causes will hopefully be minimal.
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Post by lukepemberton on Jul 18, 2011 16:21:40 GMT -4
It sounds like he’s not attracting a big following, which is good. Unfortunately there will always be some who fall in with bad company, such poor misguided Vincent. As long as Jarrah stays at YouTube and keeps making a fool of himself, the damage he causes will hopefully be minimal. I'm ambivalent. I also feel that while he stays at YouTube, he'll cater for his audience. I also feel that his arguments warrant addressing. The reason I feel this way is that Kaysing was suitably vague. Jarrah has tried to place a veneer over Kaysing's ramblings, and has really exposed the absurdity of the hoax theory. He has also managed to score that many own goals with his science, he's done a lot of damage to the thing he holds so highly.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 18, 2011 19:32:47 GMT -4
He must have spent all his money on last year's trips to the NASM and TAM...I've often wondered where he get's his money. I just noticed yesterday that he has started seeking donations from his fans. His mom must've cut him off.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 18, 2011 19:45:24 GMT -4
He used to use forums until he was banned for inappropriate language and abuse of his foes, particularly Windley. Am I the only one who finds it annoying when people refer to Jay as simply "Windley"? I know it's his name and all, but to me whenever people refer to him that way it almost sounds like they're using it as a curse word or an insult. I don't mean to single you out, Photobuster, but after hearing people like Jarrah refer to Jay as "Windley" with a certain tone to their voice, I guess it's just bothered me enough to finally say something.
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Post by gillianren on Jul 18, 2011 19:53:33 GMT -4
No, I tend to see it as a bit dismissive. I don't know why, given how presumptuous it is to refer to someone you don't know by their first name. First and last? Last and honorific?
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 19, 2011 3:02:16 GMT -4
If I paid any attention to Jarrah I might be offended at the use of my last name. But in fact it doesn't bother me. I refer to hoax proponents by their last names, and not unkindly; it's academic tradition. So I can hardly complain if I'm treated in kind. I refer to Jarrah by his first name because if I say White it's not clear whether I mean Jarrah or Jack.
His quote-mining from my writings is often geared at trying to show I'm contradicting myself, I'm wrong, or I'm saying something absurd. It rarely has anything to do with any hoax theory. That is, even in the worst case where Jarrah might be right and I may be in error, the error doesn't bear on a hoax argument or its refutation. His goal in mining my quotes seems to be to prove that Jay is wrong about something. It's nothing more than well-poisoning; if we were to judge Jarrah by those same standards, he'd fail miserably.
I generally ignore him entirely. Anything I might say would simply fuel his sick personal obsession with me.
I am, however, dismayed that he's chosen to solicit donations from his followers. Sooner or later every hoax proponent asks for money.
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Post by lukepemberton on Jul 19, 2011 4:10:40 GMT -4
I refer to hoax proponents by their last names, and not unkindly; it's academic tradition. It is usually applied to those who achieve greatness. Newton, Maxwell, Einstein, Schrodinger, Dirac, Rutherford, Oppenheimer, Feynmann are all examples. Are you happy with that Windley? It is for this reason that I refuse to call Ralph Rene by his second name, the title which he preferred. Ralph was a man who could not understand how a single caterpillar could eat so much food, so I refuse to address him in a way that holds him in reverence.
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Post by tedward on Jul 19, 2011 5:44:34 GMT -4
You could refer to him by his second name, the same way an evil drill sergeant might bait his charges.
Sorry, flippant reply there.
When I used to watch his vids in an exercise to understand what he was really about I had one idea at one point that he was just baiting people, then he started to get expensive, that is buying the wrong dirt and air fares etc (though he might have already been in the US for other personal stuff).
Now I am not sure, I change my mind on this from time to time. At the moment its doing it for the sake of it.
Donations. He has been touting for loot for his moon shot for a while, last time I looked (was a while ago) it was a pitiful amount and even so I would argue it would be bordering on legality and in reality he is not going to get enough to get to the moon, he must know that.
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Post by photobuster919 on Jul 19, 2011 5:51:19 GMT -4
My apologies and hello Jay by the way. I meant no offense referring to you as "Windley" and this has most certainly nothing to do with Jarrah. Its a habit as in real life I tend to refer to some people by their last names generally if their last name is longer than the first. He must have spent all his money on last year's trips to the NASM and TAM...I've often wondered where he get's his money. I just noticed yesterday that he has started seeking donations from his fans. His mom must've cut him off. Another effort of sympathy I'm guessing. All I can say is I won't be donating.
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Post by tedward on Jul 19, 2011 6:26:12 GMT -4
Just nipped in for a peek, not done this for a while but it piqued my interest (I hang my head in shame). Top of the list, a begging letter in video format, if you donate you get a free copy (DVD) of one of his films.......
One of the expense things he mentions is books, one particular a book on astro physics? (not listening twice). Other expense issues are hardware and consumables for film and computers etc. Might I suggest he save money and uses a bit of paper and a pen to achieve more?
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Post by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on Jul 19, 2011 7:23:39 GMT -4
No, I tend to see it as a bit dismissive. I don't know why, given how presumptuous it is to refer to someone you don't know by their first name. First and last? Last and honorific? Location? Here and on BAUT, places he frequents and reads, when talking about him you are also talking to him, so Jay is Jay, one of the regulars, or JayUtah if you encounter him for the first time. In other places, when talking about him, or more specifically his work on Clavius, he's Jay Windley, or more tersely just Windley.
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