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Post by Jason Thompson on Oct 25, 2011 6:32:52 GMT -4
he seems like a sincere, decent guy A sincere, decent guy does not launch personal attacks on individuals presenting claims he disagrees with. He does not join a discussion forum to focus all his energy on one individual while entirely ignoring anyone else who participates in the discussion. He does not use personal abuse when dealing in claims of fact. When shown he is wrong, he does not backtrack and frantically claim totally absurd 'justifications' for hie error. When presenting an argument dealing with technical matters, he makes an effort to understand them before trying to discuss them. He does not ambush celebrities with hidden cameras. All of those things, Jarrah has done. In my book that in no way qualifies him as decent or sincere. As much as I enjoy the discussions on this forum, and have learned a lot here, frankly I would quite happily sacrifice forums set up specifically to challenge the ignorant tripe of people like Jarrah if they would simply go away. And none of ours have been positive in the least.
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Post by JayUtah on Oct 25, 2011 10:00:16 GMT -4
...he seems like a sincere, decent guy... Then you need to pay more attention to his public activities. Sincere people don't "dig in" when their errors are discovered. Decent people don't embark on foul-mouthed vendettas for years against individuals with whom they disagree. Usually people have some redeeming quality. They may have outlandish ideas, but they're benevolent and fun to be around. Or they have distasteful personalities but can be dead-on in a factual sense. (I worked with just such a person at U.S. Dept. of Energy.) In other words, they usually give you something that you can respect. Jarrah White offers nothing. He's arrogant. wrong, and rude. That's why I largely ignore him.
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Post by echnaton on Oct 25, 2011 10:11:42 GMT -4
Hi, I happen to be a friend of Jarrah on both FB and YT, and even though I believe in most aspects of the Apollo story, he seems like a sincere, decent guy who is passionate about a variety of things, and without people like him, we wouldn't even have forums like this. I'm not telling people not to criticize him, I'm just giving my experiences with him, all of which have been very positive. And he speaks kindly to children and doesn't kick his dog? None of which matter because the discussion not about the kind of person he is at home or among people that don't challenge his false beliefs.
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Post by tedward on Oct 25, 2011 15:30:15 GMT -4
Hi, I happen to be a friend of Jarrah on both FB and YT, and even though I believe in most aspects of the Apollo story, he seems like a sincere, decent guy who is passionate about a variety of things, and without people like him, we wouldn't even have forums like this. I'm not telling people not to criticize him, I'm just giving my experiences with him, all of which have been very positive. Tell him he has a few questions that he needs to answer and faceache nor youtube fit the bill. Better still tell him to put his money where his mouth is and publish where real experts can tear his.... no sorry... he will not do that. His MO so far is youtube. A recent web site has appeared and a little bit of self promotion on wiki but the arguments are still chocolate teapots that will never stand scrutiny. Examine them. I may be surprised. Wonder how the wiki affair is going?
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Post by nightfever on Oct 25, 2011 16:32:54 GMT -4
I didn't know you had these sorts of experiences with him. That doesn't seem to be the "aura" if you will, that I percieve him exuding. I apologize if any bad memories were brought up from my post.
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Post by tedward on Oct 25, 2011 16:57:12 GMT -4
Dig around a bit. For my part I have not had any direct dealings but the incredulity at his incompetence and his perceived place in a world that does not know he exists outside the the backslappers union at youtube often raises a smile.
Back to his claims, if he was right he would be out there knocking on the doors of many a well established engineering and sciencey place. He cannot. Says a lot.
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Post by nightfever on Oct 25, 2011 23:57:00 GMT -4
He also has a legion of Ranma and James Bond fans that watch his other videos, and I doubt he has bad dealings with those people
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Post by chew on Oct 26, 2011 0:16:28 GMT -4
White has accused NASA of murdering astronauts who were going to "expose" the hoax. He has a lot of apologizing to do before he'll be forgiven.
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Post by ka9q on Oct 26, 2011 0:24:34 GMT -4
I apologize if any bad memories were brought up from my post. Memories? Jarrah is still at it, so they're current happenings.
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Post by tedward on Oct 26, 2011 1:39:21 GMT -4
I think if you try to get your head around the evidence, understand how radiation is not an issue for example or maybe the way the dish and receivers work (his machinations over frequencies was a howler), maybe examine his "work" with the simulated material and footprint, get stuff like that under your belt and go back and point out the fallacies in his claims.
But do dig deeper into what he has done, look through this thread and others where he crops up. I have no idea what he is like or others over his work with fiction, with the facts and people he does not like he has shown his colours and nailed them to the mast and they are there for all to see if you look. Don't take my word for it.
How is his begging going?
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Post by nightfever on Oct 26, 2011 10:30:18 GMT -4
He's getting quite a few donations for his space trip, so his begging is going really well
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Post by echnaton on Oct 26, 2011 10:51:53 GMT -4
He's getting quite a few donations for his space trip, so his begging is going really well It's pretty sad that his ethics permit asking for donations for something he never will do.
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Post by tedward on Oct 26, 2011 11:28:25 GMT -4
One must ask the question as to where exactly enough loot will appear from and to what end. IF, he ever gets off the ground and to the moon then the radiation issue will somehow be magically cured.
Will they land? So far it looks like it is a go look see from 1/2 orbit (go there whip around the moon and come straight home), how long will that part orbit last.... What can the antipodean moon faker expert prove there? How high is the 1/2 orbit, what gear will he be allowed to take? What will he be allowed to do? I think that in the unlikely event that anything comes of the begging videos and he gets a ride, he will be able to do sod all in the investigative department apart from saying he could see nothing which is what I would expect anyway.
Begging letters for something that has close to zero chance of happening and if it did he stands no chance of proving anything apart from going there and coming back alive.
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Post by robdog on Oct 26, 2011 13:10:06 GMT -4
He's getting quite a few donations for his space trip, so his begging is going really well Which surprises me, given this from his web site: " To decide who will fly with him, Jarrah will keep track of all who place a donation and draw a name out of a hat. Jarrah is very well aware of his inevitable death by space radiation that will come from this mission..." Not much of an incentive.
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Post by photobuster919 on Oct 26, 2011 14:08:20 GMT -4
I thought that we decided not to talk about Jarrah anymore???
No unless anyone here has actually met Jarrah in person I doubt we will have the chance to challenge his claims.
If you try and ask him anything through media he can avoid, like messaging him on facebook/youtube. Its just not worth it, Jarrah knows he's wrong about a lot of what he claims so he hasn't the aptitude to disprove it.
I sent him an email back regarding the fact he's doing a BSc in Astrophysics and I recieved no reply.
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