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Post by gillianren on Dec 14, 2011 23:22:55 GMT -4
I'm not happy about how big the pictures are, come to that, especially given that "look at the picture!" is, in general, about the least convincing argument out there.
Here's the thing about the Capricorn One picture. I watched Capricorn One, finally, out of a morbid sense of obligation, and I thought it was one of the most shoddy conspiracies I'd ever seen. I mean, if you look at the set in that still, it wasn't big enough to fake the Apollo 11 footage, much less the lengthy Mars mission it was supposed to represent. They cover a lot more ground in even the famous Apollo 11 footage; that set looks to be smaller than my apartment. And that's the best evidence available?
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Post by Data Cable on Dec 15, 2011 0:33:01 GMT -4
I find it even more disturbing that they apparently planned a mission to Mars using Apollo hardware.
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Post by gillianren on Dec 15, 2011 3:54:29 GMT -4
Yeah, but I have a lot more expertise in film than aerospace engineering.
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Post by Glom on Dec 15, 2011 6:54:08 GMT -4
Let's see. How can I put this?
IT'S...
NOT...
THE SAME...
MOUNTAIN!!!
For crying out loud, HBs aren't even trying any more. The two shapes are not the same, though a little bit similar. The features around them are completely different. There is no way in this universe of the neighbouring that Mauna Kea was used to fake a moon set.
That inverting of the colours shot is so ridiculous we would not have the creativity to post it when parodying HBs.
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Post by tedward on Dec 15, 2011 7:08:45 GMT -4
Looking at the posts as they come up on Hagbards forum, it would seem that someone has found how to move a slider in photoshop and work out the atomic weight of flying pigs. Page 47 of the link put up earlier to that particular forum.
I think he is shovelling it in quantities to make it hard to pick it apart. From what I can see it is a photoshop slider. Hill looks like another hill. Crew vans prove it. Chocolate teapot stuff.
Edit. And he is using windows paint.
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Post by tedward on Dec 15, 2011 7:18:39 GMT -4
To be honest this is one of the big problems for any HB. The images show no atmosphere. This single fact is a big tripping block they refuse to see and constantly fall over it. If they did not go to the moon then this had to be in a vacuum chamber. The issue with filming in a vacuum chamber to represent the moon, was and is as I understand it, impossible then and now. IF they filmed in a vacuum chamber, you know, think it through, then there are many technical issues to confront and that is inside the chamber. Outside there are many more not least getting signals to and from the moon in a manor they cannot be deemed to have come from anywhere else. As you try to think it through and catalogue the issues you will see the problems as they arise. For example, if the sun was a light on the set, how do you mask it when the bulb blows? Lighting departments have many spares for a reason. Think about this, if you fake it, you have to do it in one shoot. Start to finish, you could not set up bits prior and film them. It would not fit. Reading of football score for example to the crew from mission control. All in Cheeb is firing off a scatter gun loaded with bull eggs at a wall. Some of it will stick. |
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Post by Glom on Dec 15, 2011 15:57:25 GMT -4
And with that, it's back to Peep Show.
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Post by gillianren on Dec 15, 2011 16:25:29 GMT -4
I also have to say that I dislike "debunk this for this person I know" threads. "Shy" is one thing, but to me, this is cowardly. If you can't stand up for your own ideas, what right do you have to make other people do it for you? Suck it up and take the responsibility for your own beliefs.
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Post by jd on Dec 16, 2011 8:34:08 GMT -4
You know, jd, enlarging text until it is annoying and hard to read doesn't make the words any truer; it just makes it, well, annoying and hard to read. You know, raven. im glad i didnt enlarge any text then. Not that i needed you to point that out in the first place but thanks for your effort in pointing out the distinctly obvious. |
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Post by damnsod on Dec 16, 2011 10:21:37 GMT -4
Hello Everybody,
I Have Come Up With Why I Think The Pictures Were Faked On Here...
sodlikeproductions.motion-forum.net/t103-signs-that-the-moon-astronauts-were-mind-controlled?highlight=signs
And Here...
hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/i-went-to-the-godamn-moon-t508-285.html
And I'm Not Doing It All Over Again...
One Of The Main Reasons I Often Say,
Is The The Apollo Missions Were Not An Event In Isolation...
They Were Set Against The Backdrop Of The Cold War,
Vietnam etc.... Telephone Conversation With the Apollo 11 Astronauts on the Moon
July 20, 1969
Hello Neil and Buzz, I am talking to you by telephone from the Oval Room at the White House, and this certainly has to be the most historic telephone call ever made from the White House.
I just can't tell you how proud we all are of what you have done. For every American this has to be the proudest day of our lives, and for people all over the world I am sure that they, too, join with Americans in recognizing what an immense feat this is.
Because of what you have done the heavens have become a part of man's world, and as you talk to us from the Sea of Tranquility, it inspires us to redouble our efforts to bring peace and tranquility to earth.
For one priceless moment in the whole history of man all the people on this earth are truly one--one in their pride in what you have done and one in our prayers that you will return safely to earth.
ASTRONAUT ARMSTRONG. Thank you, Mr. President. It is a great honor and privilege for us to be here representing not only the United States, but men of peaceable nations, men with an interest and a curiosity, and men with a vision for the future. It is an honor for us to be able to participate here today.
THE PRESIDENT. Thank you very much, and I look forward, all of us look forward, to seeing you on the Hornet on Thursday.
ASTRONAUT ARMSTRONG. Thank you. We look forward to that very much, sir.
Telephone Conversation With the Apollo 11 Astronauts on the Moon
July 20, 1969Now Ignoring The Facts That A Telephone Call Would Be Impossible...(You'll Say They Hooked It Up To A Transmitter Or Something)
There Is No Time Delay...Where'as At The Time Even Telephone Conversations On Such Things As The Eurovision Song Contest Had Time Delays...And Usually Ended Up Sounding Like Echoes...
Maybe One Day They Might Be Able To Send A Man To The Moon,
But At The Moment The Farthest They Have Got Is Low Earth Orbit...
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Post by twik on Dec 16, 2011 10:30:48 GMT -4
damnsod, please don't take this personally.
But no matter how persuasive your arguments could be, no one will ever take you seriously if you post them in turquoise, and they have to highlight them to be able to read them.
Also, putting things in bold or capitals does not make them automatically more believable. In fact, it has the opposite effect.
If you cannot understand how to present an argument in print, I might just assume that you understand very little about other things as well.
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Post by tedward on Dec 16, 2011 10:45:46 GMT -4
There Is No Time Delay...Where'as At The Time Even Telephone Conversations On Such Things As The Eurovision Song Contest Had Time Delays...And Usually Ended Up Sounding Like Echoes... Never watched the Eurovision contest. Still avoid it to this day. What delays are there in the contest? How were the calls routed, being in Europe a lot would be land lines I would assume? Satellite today is not used a lot to route calls (if any) and even if it was that part of the delay is constant. What processing is required to get the calls to the main program output, this includes any patching and delays used for various reasons to tie up the sound with the vision if delays are used. Echoes usually indicate a bit of feedback, that is a speaker somewhere is up too high and feeding back into the mic. So, what about the Euro warbling contest and delays? Edit, and if memory serves from the one or two I got a glimpse of, the phone calls had no imagery with them. How did you know there was a delay? Just asking. |
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Post by dwight on Dec 16, 2011 10:53:27 GMT -4
damnsod, welcome to the board. The telephone call was made what is called using a hybrid line. This is converted to the communication systems to the uplink transmitters and sent to the lunar surface via the USB frequency used in Apollo. No major surprises there and very stock-standard communications industry techniques there which anyone familair with hybrid communication setup will confirm for you. If you can show how this would have been impossible in 1969, I and around 400 000 SMPTE members would like to hear it.
There is delay blatantly present in the communication between Nixon and the astronauts. You can even hear the echo indtroduced by the feedback loop in the astronauts' headgear. the communication was two-way, which means the person receiving the incoming audio signal could simultaneously respond on the open circuit. Again this is a fairly standard communication setup which any person familiar with such operations could confirm for you.
Your comparison to Eurovision while on the right path, is incorrect as Apollo used a designated signal path designed to minimize delays. Eurovision uses commercial-use communication routes Astra, Eutelsat) which introduce delays and so forth for the simple fact of the multiple uplinks/downlinks and time-base correction required on such a venture from multiple uplink sources.
To help you understand Apollo communications may I recommend:
Tracking Apollo to the Moon by Hamish Lindsay
Live TV From the Moon by Dwight Steven-Boniecki (me)
How Apollo Flew to the moon by David Woods
Hamish is an ex Honeysuckle Creek engineer and I have spent 7 years researching the TV systems of Apollo. David is a TV tech (like me) who happens to be interested in Apollo.
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Post by echnaton on Dec 16, 2011 11:53:38 GMT -4
And I'm Not Doing It All Over Again... If you are refusing to restate the claims in your links that the astronauts were being hypnotized by mind control, then for your own good, please don't do it all over again. |
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Post by gwiz on Dec 16, 2011 12:25:27 GMT -4
There Is No Time Delay... On the contrary, not only is the time delay present but it is possible to measure the orbit of the moon from variations in the time delay. www.mendeley.com/research/echoes-moon-7/My, those hoaxers were clever, how on earth did they know what details Italian schoolchildren would think to examine decades later? |
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