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Post by Count Zero on Jan 29, 2012 21:33:00 GMT -4
Oh Jay, you know they'll go for the rover tracks. They always go for the rover tracks.
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Post by chew on Jan 29, 2012 21:42:02 GMT -4
Given how this new member thinks Fattydash is a genius it would not surprise me if she goes for the dumbest of all the hoax claims and says there should be stars in all the photos.
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Post by BertL on Jan 30, 2012 4:19:42 GMT -4
With the advancement of technology so far the photographs have only been confirmed to be genuine. Remember the whole Venus incident with showtime, or the very consistent comparisons between Apollo and LRO photographs?
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Post by Kiwi on Jan 30, 2012 8:36:45 GMT -4
...there are so many problems with the moon pictures that I think inevitably they will be proven to be forgeries over time. Before posting your evidence of the problems, you might want to see JayUtah's Photo Analysis section at his website, Moon Base Clavius: www.clavius.org/There are a few members here who have expertise in photography, so please let us know -- in a new thread -- the problems you see.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Jan 30, 2012 9:21:27 GMT -4
I cannot find a single photo taken from the surface of the moon during the Apollo 11 moon walk with a landmark identiying the site as unique. Generic nothing if you ask me. It's a bit petty to pull that out as a complaint when there were sound reasons for the first landing being in a 'generic nothing' kind of place. Lack of mountains and huge holes for one thing! First landing = simplest place to land, i.e big wide flat plain. If there are 'so many problems' would you please explain why they have not already been proven to be forgeries in the last four decades? Either they have problems that already prove it or else they were created with such amazing precision that the techniques for detecting the forgery still have not come up despite four decades of continual development of the field of photography and photographic interpretation.
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Post by echnaton on Jan 30, 2012 10:41:45 GMT -4
I cannot find a single photo taken from the surface of the moon during the Apollo 11 moon walk with a landmark identiying the site as unique. This statement has more begging than a combination of my dog wanting dinner and my teenagers wanting to stay out late on a school night. To make up for your question begging please answering the following. How do you classify elements of the moonscape as unique vs non-unique? How have you applied this to the A11 landing site? Have you applied this "research" to all Apollo mission surface photos? Do the A11 photos stand out? If so, how does the result of your "analysis" modify your theory of the all landings being hoaxed? A complete and rigorous answer to these questions would go along way toward proving yourself to be more than just the troll you have been so far. Any answers?
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Post by twik on Jan 30, 2012 10:41:54 GMT -4
I cannot find a single photo taken from the surface of the moon during the Apollo 11 moon walk with a landmark identiying the site as unique. Generic nothing if you ask me. Been there have we? Lets see your holiday snaps then. Yep. I'm not sure what sort of "non-generic" scenery she's expecting on a body with no water, no vegetation, and no buildings, mostly plains and gently rolling hills. So, for the sake of argument, forthethrillofital, what location would you have chosen to land at on the Moon with identifying landmarks? Were you expecting a black obelisk?
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 30, 2012 13:00:27 GMT -4
I'll just refer to the answer I gave Patrick1000 when he made the same argument elsewhere. I'm sure forthethrillofital knows all about it.
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Post by echnaton on Jan 30, 2012 13:36:22 GMT -4
I'll just refer to the answer I gave Patrick1000 when he made the same argument elsewhere. I'm sure forthethrillofital knows all about it. It reminds me of something I saw in an "Archie" comic book when I was a kid. The society of professional comics has all jokes numbered to save time when giving a routine to each other. Archie tells his joke by saying "100," but know one laughs, because he told it wrong. So perhaps we could just have numbered responses to P1K et socks to save time.
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 30, 2012 14:01:36 GMT -4
At JREF I've adopted the courtroom language "Asked and answered," as an ongoing response to territory he's covered ad nauseam. That language alludes to an informal objection when a question and its answer have already appeared in the examination. When committed by the favorable counsel, it's often seen as a technique for moving the goalposts -- i.e., trying to get your own witness to rephrase an answer in such a way as to make cross-examination difficult, without overtly leading that witness. When committed by hostile counsel, the objection is that counsel is badgering the witness, trying to get him to contradict himself or to give the answer that the counsel expected so that he can pursue a predetermined line of question that got derailed. It's not a formal objection in all jurisdictions, but many judges allow "asked-and-answered" objections simply as a way to move things along and not cover the same territory over and over.
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Post by Glom on Jan 30, 2012 14:32:55 GMT -4
It obviously isn't a formal objection in Scots Law as the entire North-East of Scotland has been saying that to a certain NIMBY for ages to no avail.
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Post by Kiwi on Jan 31, 2012 4:37:02 GMT -4
I cannot find a single photo taken from the surface of the moon during the Apollo 11 moon walk with a landmark identiying the site as unique. As already explained the site was deliberately selected so that it would provide as few difficulties as possible, but we also know that Armstrong had to overfly West Crater and its boulder field. So there are few identifying features in the first lunar surface photos taken by man, but have you examined the Apollo 11 landing film and related the craters, mountains, and rilles in it to maps and photographs? I could give you quite a long list of indentifiable features all the way down from Rimae Secchi at 1 degree north, 44 degrees east, to the boulder field on the northern side of West Crater, and East (or Little West) Crater, to which Neil Armstrong ran and photographed. There are plenty of landmarks if you know what to look for and where.
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Post by ka9q on Jan 31, 2012 4:58:27 GMT -4
Oh Jay, you know they'll go for the rover tracks. They always go for the rover tracks. Yes! Of course! There aren't any rover tracks in the Apollo 11, 12 and 14 pictures. Obvious fakes! ;-)
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Post by raven on Jan 31, 2012 9:46:36 GMT -4
Oh Jay, you know they'll go for the rover tracks. They always go for the rover tracks. Yes! Of course! There aren't any rover tracks in the Apollo 11, 12 and 14 pictures. Obvious fakes! ;-) There is in fact no tracks at all by even the astronauts at all in Apollo 13, 10, 9, 8 and 7 photos. Those Whistleblowers really know their business!
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Post by Bob B. on Jan 31, 2012 10:23:04 GMT -4
I cannot find a single photo taken from the surface of the moon during the Apollo 11 moon walk with a landmark identifying the site as unique. As already explained the site was deliberately selected so that it would provide as few difficulties as possible, but we also know that Armstrong had to overfly West Crater and its boulder field. So there are few identifying features in the first lunar surface photos taken by man, but have you examined the Apollo 11 landing film and related the craters, mountains, and rilles in it to maps and photographs? I could give you quite a long list of indentifiable features all the way down from Rimae Secchi at 1 degree north, 44 degrees east, to the boulder field on the northern side of West Crater, and East (or Little West) Crater, to which Neil Armstrong ran and photographed. There are plenty of landmarks if you know what to look for and where. Here's a map of the landing site used by astronaut Collins while in lunar orbit. It looks to have plenty of identifying features on it to me. history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/LAM2_CMP-flown.jpg
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