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Post by Count Zero on Jul 3, 2005 22:38:29 GMT -4
I'm reminded of a "Peanuts" comic strip from long, long ago, where Lucy, Linus and Charlie Brown are laying on a hilltop, looking at the clouds. Lucy asks the others what they see. Linus describes these fantastically detailed biblical images. Charlie Brown says, "I was going to say a ducky and a horsey, but I changed my mind."
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 3, 2005 22:57:09 GMT -4
Last night I was watching (OK, re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-watching) "From the Earth to the Moon" episode 7, "That's All There Is". At 16 minutes, 23 seconds into the episode, when newscaster Emmitt Seaborn is watching the TV images come in, guess which clip they're showing?! The "object" really does look like the rolled-up S-band antenna. Remember that the TV camera exposure was set for viewing in the shadows; when it looked at the antenna roll, the sunlit side was very overexposed. This would wash-out the color, and make it appear white (whereas the side that is only lit by reflection would show its ruddy color. The transition would show intermediate shades, i.e. the "flesh tones"). Interestingly, I'm willing to bet that when they filmed this episode, they used an analog tape of the EVA. The image is really quite clear.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 3, 2005 23:54:51 GMT -4
...when newscaster Emmitt Smith is watching the TV images come in... Emmitt Smith? Do you mean newscaster Emmett Seaborn, played by actor Lane Smith?
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 4, 2005 0:01:09 GMT -4
Ummmm, Why yes. Uh, in fact that's exactly what it does say... now. (Thank goodness for the "modify" feature! ) OK, Bob, this means we're even (remember Neil Arstrong?)
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 4, 2005 1:19:17 GMT -4
Ah... I do remember that. By the way, welcome to the forum.
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 4, 2005 3:13:41 GMT -4
Thanks. It took a couple of weeks because (as the instructions read) the authentication system wouldn't send to AoHell. I finally used my work address.
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Post by Kiwi on Jul 4, 2005 8:53:50 GMT -4
...the arm image appears just as the camera pans in the very direction we see the antenna... I haven't viewed the video, but could the panning have affected the apparent dimensions of the object because of the use of the tri-colour wheel to produce a colour image?
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Post by Joe Durnavich on Jul 4, 2005 12:04:14 GMT -4
Interestingly, I'm willing to bet that when they filmed this episode, they used an analog tape of the EVA. The image is really quite clear.Hey, good find, countzero. The From the Earth to the Moon version is much clearer. I captured the frames, but the result is not as clear as watching it on TV. That may be due to those silly enhancement circuits they put in TVs, and it may be partially due to the re-scaler in my DVD app that insists on converting the image from its native 720 x 480 pixels to 640 x 480 pixels. I tried using the Windows Media Player, but my blood pressure is too high to spend too much time with a Microsoft interface. FTETTM Apollo 12 TV Frames I notice the herringbone interference patterns are much more prevalent. I wonder if this video was captured at a ground station before the low-pass filtering stage? That would gives us sharper video at the cost of greater interference. Then again, maybe this is video source is just closer to, or is, the original.
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Post by Joe Durnavich on Jul 4, 2005 12:18:46 GMT -4
I haven't viewed the video, but could the panning have affected the apparent dimensions of the object because of the use of the tri-colour wheel to produce a colour image?
Video in general can distort fast-moving objects because each scan line is taken at a different time. The effect of the field-sequential color appears to be mostly multi-color ghost images.
Perspective will also effect the imaged shape of the object, of course.
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 4, 2005 19:04:30 GMT -4
In the Apollo 12 video, three seconds after the "object" appears, it comes back into view. This time, though, you can see the top of the mast. Comparing it to the hi-res scan of AS12-46-6750 at the Project Apollo Image Gallery, You can see that it is an exact match for the S-Band antenna. (Sorry I don't have vidcap capability, or I'd post a comparison, myself. A little help, perhaps...?)
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Post by Joe Durnavich on Jul 4, 2005 19:53:08 GMT -4
I was aware that the antenna feedhorn matched. I just figured that turbonium would say, regardless, he still sees an arm holding the pole!
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 4, 2005 21:38:35 GMT -4
Hmm, holding a long pole with the knuckles perpendicular to the axis is very awkward, and lacks strength. Perhaps it's just a verrry long middle finger.
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Post by jaydeehess on Jul 4, 2005 23:13:07 GMT -4
I'm reminded of a "Peanuts" comic strip from long, long ago, where Lucy, Linus and Charlie Brown are laying on a hilltop, looking at the clouds. Lucy asks the others what they see. Linus describes these fantastically detailed biblical images. Charlie Brown says, "I was going to say a ducky and a horsey, but I changed my mind." ;D I can't play piano either
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Post by turbonium on Jul 5, 2005 7:36:42 GMT -4
Hi turbonium , I see you took my advice. As you have discovered these guys have much better answers than I could have offered you Hey jaydees sorry I missed this earlier - thx again for the ref. to come here - its a hoot and informative to boot!!
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Post by turbonium on Jul 5, 2005 7:39:47 GMT -4
joe what is your source for the "arm" stills?
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