Yanking the Crank

[rocketdad]

I'm new, so I've been reading a lot of back posts in short order, as my children's sleep schedules allow.

I've come to a conclusion:

Bart Sibrel is yanking you off, over and over, this time as "margamatix." There is no name on the "trucking russia" website. Marg' uses the same logic, invocations of God, and absolute ignoring of reasonable responses.
Brits call a truck a "lorry," and they use metric for everything except pints.


Over and over. I've fallen for it in the short time I've been reading here, and I think you have too.

I will no longer bother explaining simple things in simple language for what I at first took to be a simple man.

If JayUtah knows better, (If registration data is correct and not diddle-able) maybe he can correct me, but I don't think "margamatix" is worth anybody's time any longer.

I studied too much anthopology in college, too much film theory, and too much art. I'm used to "reading into" things, and looking behind the Wizard's curtain wherever and whenever I can.

[margamatix]

rocketdad said:

Brits call a truck a "lorry," and they use metric for everything except pints.

This is the UK's leading transport magazine. It's called "Truck and Driver". Look at the top banner. "Britain's best selling truck mag".







And this is a British road sign




Here is a sign showing the distance in miles to Sheffield and Leeds. It would be illegal for the Highway Authority to erect a sign showing distances in kilometres.





And here is a sign showing the maximum permitted length of vehicles in feet and inches




Of all the twaddle I have read on this forum, rocketdad's posting above takes the biscuit!

[skinbath]

So he made a mistake but now it`s been pointed out to him,I`ve a feeling he won`t make the same one again,in other words he`ll learn !

[margamatix]

You've got to admire the logic he used.....

"Bart Sibrel does not believe the moon landings happened. Margamatix does not believe the moon landings happened. Therefore Margamatix is Bart Sibrel"

[Count Zero]

Ah-HA!!!!

Do you see what happened, here?
Someone posted an ignorant opinion, supported only by preconceived notions. Margamatrix rebutted with evidence debunking each of the notions.

If we wanted to make the role-reversal complete, then rocketdad should continue to insist that British never call lorries "trucks" and that they use only the metric system for distance measurements. He should state that there is no evidence to the contrary. Finally, he should reaffirm that his opinion on these things is valid and should be respected.
He should not acknowledge any of the evidence margamatrix provided; nor should he acknowledge that margamatrix may have any relevant knowledge other than whatever "opinions" he may hold. The unstated implication should be that any evidence presented is a flimsy fabrication.

[skinbath]

and they use metric for everything except pints.



The Euroboys are though,tightening their grip and vitually every aspect of measurement is now given as metric.We certainly needed our monetary system altering though........12 pennies made a shilling.........20 shillings to a pound........and loads of stop off points along the way......ha`pennies,threepenny bits,sixpences,shillings,two bob bits (two shillings) half crowns (two shillings and six pence or 2/6) crowns (five shillings) ten bob notes..............240 pennies made a pound....... GEEEEEZ........No wonder we converted! ........(oh yeah,what about the nine bob note. ; but there again that still exists,LOL !. )

(Off on tangent)Nevertheless,no-one had a problem.Necessity is a great motivator and I`m sure if we all needed advanced geometry/algebra/whatever in order to light a fire/make tea/coffee/turn the light on etc we`d all have no problem.

[rocketdad]

I'm sorry if I've offended Margamatix by calling him Bart, but until he does some homework, or math, or learns that "begging the question" is a technical term relating to formal logic and not a cheesy figure of speech, I think there are more intelligent conversions in the world to pursue.

Now if you don't mind, the baby has Sibreled in her diaper..

[Al Johnston]

Actually, while Margamatix may have a point that signage on the UK's roads is given in Imperial units, they are built in metric. Along each side of the motorways are small white marker posts, placed there during construction. Among other information, they carry small arrows to point stranded motorists in the direction of the nearest emergency phone. They are 100 metres apart.

Alcoholic beverages aside, food and drink must by law be priced in metric units (imperial units can be used too, but there must be a metric price displayed). Famously, traders have been prosecuted for neglecting this.

The National Physical Laboratory no longer maintains the standards that defined the imperial measures, although they play a full part in maintaining standards for the Système Internationale. Like it or not, imperial units are now legally defined solely by their relationship to the equivalent metric units.

[hubcapdave69]

margamatix said:

rocketdad said:

Brits call a truck a "lorry," and they use metric for everything except pints.

This is the UK's leading transport magazine. It's called "Truck and Driver". Look at the top banner. "Britain's best selling truck mag".







And this is a British road sign




Here is a sign showing the distance in miles to Sheffield and Leeds. It would be illegal for the Highway Authority to erect a sign showing distances in kilometres.





And here is a sign showing the maximum permitted length of vehicles in feet and inches




Of all the twaddle I have read on this forum, rocketdad's posting above takes the biscuit!

[Jack White] Photshop fakery, all of it![/Jack White]

[lenbrazil]

Yes Rocketdad made a mistake because he made some assumptions with out the requisite knowledge - just like you do all the time. Your assumptions are normally far less reasonable.

If I wanted to be pigheaded I could say your images prove nothing.

The magazine cover was obviously altered. Do you really expect us to believe that the British with their well known aversion to American English would start calling lorries trucks?

The middle sign does not even state if it's in miles or kilometers so proves nothing. The first and last signs were either altered or are from years ago before Britain converted to the metric system or are Canadian. None of the images of signs appear to photos of actual signs but appear to be copied from a map or a student driver's manual.

[rocketdad]

I won't believe Margamatix is not Bart Sibrel until Margamatix does something un-Bart-like:

1)Concede a point. Respond, just once, to a refutation by saying "Gee, you're right, I'm just a simple truck driver who hasn't read the history of the American space program, but thanks for informing me. Now I understand," and follow with an example showing how the information applied to some real-world example within your knowledge and experience base.

2)Then swear you're not lying that you actually understand.

3)Then show us an actual photograph (not something snagged off the web) of a sign in Margate, or you and your truck, or something like that. Maybe do the 419 Scammer thing and hold up a sign that says "I am not Bart Sibrel."

See, the thing is, there is a difference between validation of belief (ie, I think you're Bart, so I read your back-posts looking for "clues") and verification of knowledge. Or adding knowledge where there is none: I, for example, did not drive in the UK during my brief stay 20 years ago, and was under the impression that only the pint was left, not pints AND miles.

Thanks, by the way, for using the words "bisquit" and "haulage" in your reply. The little British-isms make you seem so much more authentic.

[ktesibios]

skinbath said:

and they use metric for everything except pints.



The Euroboys are though,tightening their grip and vitually every aspect of measurement is now given as metric.We certainly needed our monetary system altering though........12 pennies made a shilling.........20 shillings to a pound........and loads of stop off points along the way......ha`pennies,threepenny bits,sixpences,shillings,two bob bits (two shillings) half crowns (two shillings and six pence or 2/6) crowns (five shillings) ten bob notes..............240 pennies made a pound....... GEEEEEZ........No wonder we converted! ........(oh yeah,what about the nine bob note. ; but there again that still exists,LOL !. )

Well, in some ways the more complete the conversion the better. Do you have any idea how tiresome it is to have to deal with metric and BA screws scattered throughout the same product?

OTOH, I kind of think you would have done well to have kept the old monetary system. 240 is evenly divisible by 2,3,4,5,6,8 and 10, as opposed to 100, which is only evenly divisible by 2,4,5 and 10. Not only would the old system make divvying up the lunch check easier, but you had the added dividend of seeing the look on the faces of American tourists as they tried to remember what a half-crown was.

[margamatix]

rocketdad said:

I won't believe Margamatix is not Bart Sibrel until Margamatix does something un-Bart-like:




3)Then show us an actual photograph (not something snagged off the web) of a sign in Margate, or you and your truck, or something like that. Maybe do the 419 Scammer thing and hold up a sign that says "I am not Bart Sibrel."

.

Oh OK, just for you!

[rocketdad]

Gee, thanks, I've kept a copy for my screensaver slideshow! I will concede you don't look like the pictures of Bart on his website, and I guess you even look like a "bloke."

Now go download spacecad.

[margamatix]

lenbrazil said:

If I wanted to be pigheaded I could say your images prove nothing.

Pigheaded, and also very provably wrong.

lenbrazil said:

The magazine cover was obviously altered. Do you really expect us to believe that the British with their well known aversion to American English would start calling lorries trucks?

You can order a back-copy of this magazine online and read it for yourself. You can do that here

www.reedbusiness.co.uk/rb2_products/rb2_products_truckdriver.htm

Incidentally, it's wrong to say that there is an aversion to American English in the UK, except among a*tiny* proportion of the chattering classes. The word truck has been in common usage for as long as I have been around.

lenbrazil said:

The middle sign does not even state if it's in miles or kilometers so proves nothing. The first and last signs were either altered or are from years ago before Britain converted to the metric system or are Canadian. None of the images of signs appear to photos of actual signs but appear to be copied from a map or a student driver's manual.

In fact, they were taken from the British Highway Code, issued by the Government. You can see it with your own two eyes here.

www.highwaycode.gov.uk


You see, this is proof. Nothing I have been offered has reached this level of proof or come anywhere near it.