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Post by nomuse on Sept 29, 2005 17:33:54 GMT -4
Aww. I think we're being a bit unkind. At least Margamatix gives us an excuse to chat about Apollo. I always learn something from the other posters. Say...what about Margamatix starting a new thread in the off-topic just to talk about his experiences driving a truck across Europe? I'd like to hear some of those stories...
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 17:41:36 GMT -4
. Some seem genuinely interested in learning something and tend to appreciate it. Others just wave it off as it distracts them from endlessly repeating unsupported claims. Well actually, apart from Turbonium, it seems that I am the only HB who ever posts here, but if you can point me in the direction of these "some" and "others" then perhaps we could all hire a big bus and go on a day out? It didn't happen mate, and the game's nearly up for those who believe it did!
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Post by rocketdad on Sept 29, 2005 17:57:48 GMT -4
It didn't happen mate, and the game's nearly up for those who believe it did! That's the kind of stubborness I'm talking about.
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Post by sts60 on Sept 29, 2005 18:18:34 GMT -4
Well actually, apart from Turbonium, it seems that I am the only HB who ever posts here, but if you can point me in the direction of these "some" and "others" then perhaps we could all hire a big bus and go on a day out? Think this over carefully. You and turbonium aren't the only ones whov've been around... would you really want to spend a day on a bus with the likes of xoox/oxxo and unknown/piere nnn? I mean, what are you, a masochist or something? It didn't happen mate, and the game's nearly up for those who believe it did!*Shrug* You can say that all you want, but it doesn't change things. I've worked with people who made Apollo happen, and I have the expertise to evaluate the record. It happened, amigo.
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 18:29:38 GMT -4
Think this over carefully. You and turbonium aren't the only ones whov've been around... would you really want to spend a day on a bus with the likes of xoox/oxxo and unknown/piere nnn? I mean, what are you, a masochist or something? . Yes, I have read about them. They were here when it was automatic policy for Lunar Orbit to unsubscribe anyone on the ApolloHoax forum who believed Apollo was a hoax.
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 29, 2005 18:53:34 GMT -4
LOL!
It has never at any time, under any administrator, been the "automatic policy" of this site to unsubscribe or ban anyone who believed Apollo was a hoax. The site exists to debate the hoax. Debate is only possible when there is more than one point of view. However, it does not exist to provide a venue for trolls or the excessively malcontent.
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Post by margamatix on Sept 29, 2005 18:58:27 GMT -4
The site exists to debate the hoax. Debate is only possible when there is more than one point of view. Well, I'm glad to hear that. However, it does not exist to provide a venue for trolls or the excessively malcontent. Oops, now I'm worried. What do you mean by "trolls or the excessively malcontent"? Not me, surely???
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Post by nomuse on Sept 29, 2005 19:12:35 GMT -4
I hope not. Turbonium gives better argument, but as you say -- what use is a anti-hoax board without a few HB's? One has to at least HOPE you guys came here to learn something. (Or if nothing else, to polish up your arguments.)
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 29, 2005 19:22:24 GMT -4
Oops, now I'm worried. What do you mean by "trolls or the excessively malcontent"? Not me, surely???
I was thinking of oxxo/xoox and the other individuals mentioned earlier. However I must confess my opinion that you are getting more trollish by the hour.
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Post by Bob B. on Sept 29, 2005 19:36:13 GMT -4
Yes, I have read about them. They were here when it was automatic policy for Lunar Orbit to unsubscribe anyone on the ApolloHoax forum who believed Apollo was a hoax. Hogwash! Every person who has come to this forum has been given more than ample opportunity to have his/her say. This forum also has a long history that was lost when the old domain expired and the board was shut down. LunarOrbit restarted the forum at this site, but years worth of posts were lost. In all the years this forum (and its predecessor) has operated, only a few people have been banned. One was oxxo/xoox who was extremely unstable and went on an abusive tirade against every member of the forum. His banning was justified under anybody's standard of acceptable behavior. When he showed up here at the new address he was immediately banned because of his previous history. Unknown/pierre1985/wildbill was given a fair chance but screwed up. He was childish, rude, and a troll; nonetheless, he was here for several days before we finally had enough of him. Combined he made 129 posts, so that hardly supports your claim it was “automatic policy” to ban HBs.
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Post by sts60 on Sept 29, 2005 19:46:37 GMT -4
Think this over carefully. You and turbonium aren't the only ones whov've been around... would you really want to spend a day on a bus with the likes of xoox/oxxo and unknown/piere nnn? I mean, what are you, a masochist or something? . Yes, I have read about them. They were here when it was automatic policy for Lunar Orbit to unsubscribe anyone on the ApolloHoax forum who believed Apollo was a hoax. margamatix, that's just never been the case. Where in the world did you come up with that?
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Sept 30, 2005 5:51:46 GMT -4
And if it were the case ... how come you are still posting here with your registered account without LunarOrbit unsubscribing it.
The fact that you are able to even post the accusation proves that the accusation is patently untrue ... you really don't think before you post, do you?
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Post by sts60 on Sept 30, 2005 9:39:35 GMT -4
Reread his post. He was claiming it used to be the policy, not that it still is. If he had been correct, it still wouldn't affect his ability to post nowadays.
Of course, the claim was patently untrue; I don't know (and don't want to know!) what orifice it was pulled out of. Unfortunately, most of margamatix's specific Apollo claims are of the same caliber, which does little good for his hoax claim.
For instance (and to get back on topic, because I know how margamatix is a stickler for staying on topic), his claims on this very thread that the astronauts couldn't have changed film or manipulated the camera settings. He evidently thinks of trying to wind film on a spool and making fine adjustments on a lens with impossibly thick and rigid gloves, while using pretty low-quality video to judge precise exposure settings. But this is a cartoon of what really was done: equipment modifications for ease of use with limited dexterity, a lot of thought, experimentation, and practice going into selecting appropriate exposure settings, and the use of real-life techniques like bracketing and reliance on good darkroom processing to get good photographs. And, of course, some Apollo photographs just came out lousy, which was expected.
A rather worse cartoon is that driving the "film should have melted/froze" claim. The phrase "cartoon physics" means a high-level, zeroeth-order, understanding of the physical environment and processes. But those making this claim don't even have that; they totally misunderstand (or ignore) the essential differences between their everyday experience and the situation in the airless environment of the Moon. They can't or won't understand that things just don't all tend to reach the same temperature. So they say that the camera "should" reach this extreme or that extreme of temperature, when the reality is nothing of the sort should happen. In other words, this claim doesn't even reach the level of "cartoon understanding", it's so fundamentally wrong.
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Post by Al Johnston on Sept 30, 2005 11:33:38 GMT -4
Of course, even before the Apollo modifications, the Hasselblad is not exactly a small and fiddly piece of equipment.
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Post by nomuse on Sept 30, 2005 15:23:42 GMT -4
I realize, thinking about it, that I first rejected the "melting film" argument from a completely different logic. To wit; here I am, holding a camera on the moon, and the film is melting in the magazine. What is happening to me? Since there were obviously ways of protecting the astronaut and the technical equipment of the space suit from conditions, I had no cause to doubt that the film could also be made survivable.
Say, maybe Margmatix's next sig should be "Help, help, I'm being repressed?"
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