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Post by JayUtah on Oct 1, 2005 13:57:56 GMT -4
OK, could you point me in the direction of any post where I have been rude?
The problem lies not so much in the posts you have written, but in those you have not written -- chiefly those in which you acknowledge the points raised against your claims and the ones in which you answer questions put to you. Instead you rely on endless prattle over marginalia and protests that it's "not my thread".
It is rude to offer your opinions for discussion and then to ignore the substance of the ensuing discussion. It is rude to omit discussion of pending points in favor of new assertions.
The only problem you have with me is that, despite the fast that there are 140 members of the ApolloHoax forum, I am one of the three who believes that Apollo was a hoax.
But you aren't being accosted by 140 members -- perhaps instead a handful.
And you are desperate to style yourself as someone who is being persecuted for your beliefs. In fact you are being spoken ill of for your inability to defend your beliefs. When five people are asking you the same question, your unwillingness to answer it is not excused because you are outnumbered.
You have to wonder what kind of truth it is that needs defending with threats and censorship
You have to wonder what kind of truth requires defense by evasion and manfucturing oneself as as a victim. You're trying to make this an emotional argument. Is that the only way you can make headway?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2005 14:13:30 GMT -4
OK, could you point me in the direction of any post where I have been rude? I'm refering to all of the questions you refuse to answer. I'm refering to all the times people have put a lot of effort into responding to one of your claims only to have you repeat the exact same claim as if it hadn't been debunked. It appears that you are yanking our chain simply to get angry responses out of us... and that is rude. You can prove me wrong by responding to our questions rather than evading them. I did not see that. If I had then maybe I would have said something to that member. But I've also never warned you about using insults, so you're getting the exact same treatment as everyone else. "Boo-hoo. I'm a hoax believer and I'm being persecuted!" That's not the case at all, Margamatix. I welcome hoax believers. The forum certainly wouldn't be up to 5800 posts without them. There are three or so active hoax believers in this forum, but there have been others. I've only banned two people. When have I threatened to censor you? I see no need to do so because none of your arguments to date have carried enough weight to scare me. They have all been easily debunked. You will note that even in the case of xoox/unknown I have never deleted any messsages. His reasons for getting banned are visible to anyone who goes back to read what he wrote. Here is what I think is going on: you're trying to get banned, and you're trying to get censored. You want me to act like a big bad dictator who deletes any record of dissent just so you can run off to your friends and say "see, I told you he would ban me!". But that's not going to happen because there is not one single hoax claim that can't be debunked, so I have nothing to fear from you. Make your hoax claims if you wish. We will continue to debunk them and you will continue to ignore us. But in the end it will be you that looks like a fool.
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Post by margamatix on Oct 1, 2005 14:14:55 GMT -4
Marg - If you're walking on the beach and you kick at the sand you'll see a couple different things happening.. Here is Margate, where I live and where I walk the kids and dog along the beach every day that I am home. The larger particles of sand will get kicked up a few feet and then fall right back down just like we see in the clips. The smaller, tiny little particles of dust and sand stay in the air a little longer like a cloud....a dust cloud. . They do no such thing.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2005 14:20:44 GMT -4
Have you ever driven a car along a dry dirt road before? I learned to drive on one... the car kicked up dust that would hang in the air for miles behind me, long after I had driven past.
On the Moon the dirt kicked up by the rover would not hang because there was no air, it would travel in a predictable arc from the tires of the rover and then back down to the ground.
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Post by margamatix on Oct 1, 2005 14:23:11 GMT -4
I'm refering to all of the questions you refuse to answer. I'm refering to all the times people have put a lot of effort into responding to one of your claims only to have you repeat the exact same claim as if it hadn't been debunked. . I don't refuse to answer questions. In fact, I have just answered one on the behaviour of sand. However, because it is not the answer that the questioner would like to see, then this will be categorised as me "failing to reply". I showed you footage of Charlie Duke being jerked up on a wire. You say "Oh no, that isn't happening". When I say "Yes it is, you can clearly see it is with your own two eyes", then that doesn't seem to constitute an answer either. And of course, because I drive a truck, and am not home in the week most weeks, that seems to cause offence too. Well, if anyone would care to pay me a wage, I'll sit here and chew the fat with you all week. But until then, I'm often not around and you'll just have to accept that.
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Post by margamatix on Oct 1, 2005 14:27:30 GMT -4
On the Moon the dirt kicked up by the rover would not hang because there was no air, it would travel in a predictable arc from the tires of the rover and then back down to the ground. So how come Eugene Cernan said "The dust got everywhere, into our suits and into all moving parts"? Surely NASA could have explained the script to him a little better? And now I'm going to attract flak because I've mentioned this before. Well, I have, but it's YOU that isn't listening.
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Post by margamatix on Oct 1, 2005 14:32:19 GMT -4
. "Offensive" would be insulting people (calling them names, etc.). . What, like calling somebody "drunk", or "delusional" or even (gasp) BART SIBREL!!!!!!
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2005 14:34:47 GMT -4
I don't refuse to answer questions. Would you like us to compile a list of your unanswered questions? For example, we tried many different ways of wording the same question: "Do you trust Bart Sibrel after it has been demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about?" (the key part of the question being: "do you trust Bart Sibrel") and you still haven't answered it. It is a "yes" or "no" question that would take you two seconds to answer but you evaded it. Saying "they do no such thing" is an answer, yes, but not a very good one. Explain why. If it was clear then we would see the wires, wouldn't we? You are infering wires from the way the astronaut moves. Other people have explained his movements in a way that does not require wires. Therefore, if you want us to accept your wire theory the only way to do so would be to show us the wires. No, we understand that you have a life outside this forum. We don't hold that against you. But you have been here many times since some of those questions were asked, so absence isn't the explanation for why you haven't answered them.
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Post by lordoftherings on Oct 1, 2005 14:36:27 GMT -4
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Post by skinbath on Oct 1, 2005 14:39:18 GMT -4
. "Offensive" would be insulting people (calling them names, etc.). . What, like calling somebody "drunk", or "delusional" or even (gasp) BART SIBREL!!!!!! Well I feel I ought to `fess up right now and say that I once inferred you may be B.S.....but surely you realised this was a joke.....?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2005 14:42:07 GMT -4
So how come Eugene Cernan said "The dust got everywhere, into our suits and into all moving parts"? Does what Eugene Cernan said change the fact that in the footage of the rovers the dust does not form clouds that hang in the air like it would on Earth? The footage proves they were driving in an airless environment, regardless of what one of the astronauts said (or more importantly, how you interpreted what they said). The astronauts got dirty. They fell to the ground, kicked up dirt at each other (unintentionally) as they walked, handled moon rocks, etc... all of which can be attributed to what Cernan said. Are you saying that the ONLY way the astronauts would have got their suits dirty is if moon dust was hanging in the air?
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Post by lordoftherings on Oct 1, 2005 15:06:26 GMT -4
But LunarOrbit, the link I presented shows a photo with clouds of dust!!!
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2005 15:07:11 GMT -4
Clouds like these?
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Post by lordoftherings on Oct 1, 2005 15:08:50 GMT -4
No, but "clouds", still clouds and not arc motion, very fast, drop
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2005 15:14:07 GMT -4
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