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Post by tofu on Nov 13, 2005 12:53:58 GMT -4
It wasn't I who took the thread in twenty directions from the start, Another lie. I again call for moonman to be banned for trolling. Take a look at the first page of the thread you authored on BAUT: bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=34711Everyone welcomes you and invites you to participate in discussion. Then you post this: and this: To review, here are the claims you made in just those two posts: 1: Neil Armstrong will not take a lie detector test because he is lying 2.The Shuttle doesn't go to the moon because it is impossible to go to the moon 3.Blueprints for the Saturn V were destroyed. 4.Columbia was downed by a fire in the tire well 5.Columbia was the only mission to fly without the Canadarm. *you* took the thread in a dozen different directions. YOU. Not anyone else. It was YOU. You did this because your purpose right from the start was to troll. You are from a developed, modern nation with a quality education system. You know full well that the shuttle cannot achieve trans lunar injection. The only reason you brought that up was to troll. Ban Moon Man now! He is wasting everyone's time! |
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 13, 2005 12:57:52 GMT -4
Oh, I forgot, you claim the Apollo heat shield is only on the bottom, but it actually covered nearly the entire capsule with varying a thicknesse of heat shielding. Take a look here for a few details. www.apollosaturn.com/asnr/p245-251.htmRanb We were just discussing this when I was banned. The eat shield is said to have removed itself at 25, 000 feet, I believe it was and yet there is no video of it spalshing down yet we see the capsule splashing down. It is said that the capslue was heated to 5000 degrees and yet there is no steam whatever when it splashed down because the amazing heat shield absorbed it all. |
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Post by LunarOrbit on Nov 13, 2005 13:00:51 GMT -4
Again, I was told to answer all the question or be banned. When I couldn't possibly do it I was banned. It wasn't I who took the thread in twenty directions from the start, I was ordered to answer questions. The people here and at BAUT have had a lot of experience dealing with moon hoax believers who make a lot of wild claims without any proof to back them up. We know that whenever a hoax believer is pinned down by a question they can't answer they change the subject. A lot of us (especially people like JayUtah) put a lot of effort into their responses to claims like yours... to just ignore them is an insult. If you want respect in this forum then treat us with respect also. Don't disregard facts just because they don't sound believable to you. If you don't believe what people are telling you then do some research to verify it. Don't just say "that doesn't sound believable" and then ignore it. An example of that is when people tried to explain to you that the vacuum of space has no temperature and you basically told them that they were stupid for believing that... even though it is a well known scientific fact. What are you going to present if not facts? If someone was accusing you of a crime would you not want them to present facts? You're accusing NASA of serious crimes. If you can't prove it then don't make the accusations. It's better to learn now than to waste our time with another 40 page thread that goes nowhere. Science... not intuition or "common sense". |
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Post by scooter on Nov 13, 2005 13:05:46 GMT -4
The heat shield that is pulled away at 25000 feet is the apex cover over the forward few feet of the spacecraft, not the main heatshield. The main shield stays with the capsule. The apex cover has a tiny chute and is lost on landing. It quite possibly lands before the capsule, but who's watching for that?
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 13, 2005 13:09:40 GMT -4
It wasn't I who took the thread in twenty directions from the start, Another lie. I again call for moonman to be banned for trolling. Take a look at the first page of the thread you authored on BAUT: bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=34711Everyone welcomes you and invites you to participate in discussion. Then you post this: and this: To review, here are the claims you made in just those two posts: 1: Neil Armstrong will not take a lie detector test because he is lying 2.The Shuttle doesn't go to the moon because it is impossible to go to the moon 3.Blueprints for the Saturn V were destroyed. 4.Columbia was downed by a fire in the tire well 5.Columbia was the only mission to fly without the Canadarm. *you* took the thread in a dozen different directions. YOU. Not anyone else. It was YOU. You did this because your purpose right from the start was to troll. You are from a developed, modern nation with a quality education system. You know full well that the shuttle cannot achieve trans lunar injection. The only reason you brought that up was to troll. Ban Moon Man now! He is wasting everyone's time! And you just joined this site for what reason..? I will not address anything else you post. You're a liar. Get you moon man friends to agree on any board that he's willing to take a lie detector test. |
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Post by tofu on Nov 13, 2005 13:10:38 GMT -4
A lot of us (especially people like JayUtah) put a lot of effort into their responses to claims like yours... to just ignore them is an insult. I would just like to highlight this because I think it is an important point. What moonman is doing is intentionally insulting people with good intentions who honestly try to have a discussion with them. He makes an outrageous claim, like saying that Columbia was the only mission to fly without the arm. Somebody spends a lot of time researching and gives him a list of all the other missions that flew without the arm. but he ignores that because behind his computer he's just laughing - he's enjoying his power to waste the time of people (like Jay) who are better and more knowledgable than he is. He claims that the capsule couldn't slow down in time. I pull out microsoft excel and calculate the exact forces involved. I take the time to figure out exactly how many G's the astronauts would have felt. His response to me: Here is the page where all this happened: bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=34711&page=75 year olds know that G's are a measure of acceleration. Yet this "lawyer" doesn't know it? I don't think so. I think this is all a game. I think he is an obviuos troll. I urge you to give him the banning he has earned. |
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Post by tofu on Nov 13, 2005 13:17:01 GMT -4
To LunarOrbit : I'm sure I don't have to remind you how important this forum is. It is listed very high in google searches for "apollo hoax"
How many people each day hear about the conspiracy theory and aren't sure what to think, so they do a quick search and end up here, and they lurk and read a few threads, and because every question asked is answered in a concise, logical way, those people decide to reject the conspiracy theory and continue to believe the truth.
Do you know how often that happens? I bet the number of lurkers who aren't sure what to think far outweighs the number of people who actually create accounts.
I'm sure you've thought of this. I'm sure you realize how important it is that this forum remain uncluttered by trolls. If it wasn't for this forum, and for websites like Clauvis, the hoax believers would be even greater in number. I urge you to consider banning moonman and deleting this thread. All he's going to do is muddy the waters. No good comes from having him here. He received two chances over on BAUT and blew them both. He hasn't earned any respect from this community.
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 13, 2005 13:18:24 GMT -4
Again, I was told to answer all the question or be banned. When I couldn't possibly do it I was banned. It wasn't I who took the thread in twenty directions from the start, I was ordered to answer questions. The people here and at BAUT have had a lot of experience dealing with moon hoax believers who make a lot of wild claims without any proof to back them up. We know that whenever a hoax believer is pinned down by a question they can't answer they change the subject. A lot of us (especially people like JayUtah) put a lot of effort into their responses to claims like yours... to just ignore them is an insult. If you want respect in this forum then treat us with respect also. Don't disregard facts just because they don't sound believable to you. If you don't believe what people are telling you then do some research to verify it. Don't just say "that doesn't sound believable" and then ignore it. An example of that is when people tried to explain to you that the vacuum of space has no temperature and you basically told them that they were stupid for believing that... even though it is a well known scientific fact. What are you going to present if not facts? If someone was accusing you of a crime would you not want them to present facts? You're accusing NASA of serious crimes. If you can't prove it then don't make the accusations. It's better to learn now than to waste our time with another 40 page thread that goes nowhere. Science... not intuition or "common sense". First off, I never ignored anyone. When I didn't know the answer I admitted it. Funny how the experts didn't know that moon rocks were found on earth and yet claims that this was a lie continues to be spewed without consequences when the FACTS were presented. Only I got banned. The claims about no temperture in space, ie., hot or cold, were proven to be wrong in that thread, so much for the scientific FACTS. Any statement made against anyone online are opnions not FACTS. The courts have made ruling in this regard. Not every claim can be supported by FACTS. Because NASA produces charts, information and theories on how these amazing batteries worked doesn't mean it really happened. When two lawyers in a court case claim something happened this way or that way doesn't make it FACT. Charles Manson killed no one and was convicted for murder, among other things. No FACTS were introduced to prove it. Scott Peterson was convicted of murder and no FACTS were produced to prove he did it. |
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 13, 2005 13:21:00 GMT -4
The heat shield that is pulled away at 25000 feet is the apex cover over the forward few feet of the spacecraft, not the main heatshield. The main shield stays with the capsule. The apex cover has a tiny chute and is lost on landing. It quite possibly lands before the capsule, but who's watching for that? Again, you never provided anything to prove this and claim this is the test I am facing here or I will be banned. You shouldn't have this double standard like BA does if you want your board you have any credibilty, which BA lacks. |
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Post by mushiwulf on Nov 13, 2005 13:21:51 GMT -4
The quicker we wrap up the hellos, the quicker we can see MoonMan's argument.
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 13, 2005 13:25:12 GMT -4
A lot of us (especially people like JayUtah) put a lot of effort into their responses to claims like yours... to just ignore them is an insult. I would just like to highlight this because I think it is an important point. What moonman is doing is intentionally insulting people with good intentions who honestly try to have a discussion with them. He makes an outrageous claim, like saying that Columbia was the only mission to fly without the arm. Somebody spends a lot of time researching and gives him a list of all the other missions that flew without the arm. but he ignores that because behind his computer he's just laughing - he's enjoying his power to waste the time of people (like Jay) who are better and more knowledgable than he is. He claims that the capsule couldn't slow down in time. I pull out microsoft excel and calculate the exact forces involved. I take the time to figure out exactly how many G's the astronauts would have felt. His response to me: Here is the page where all this happened: bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=34711&page=75 year olds know that G's are a measure of acceleration. Yet this "lawyer" doesn't know it? I don't think so. I think this is all a game. I think he is an obviuos troll. I urge you to give him the banning he has earned. You've already been proven to be a liar, so I doubt anyone cares what you want. I clearly said that G's applied. I edited my message to say so. You seem to left that out because you're a liar. If I was here wasting people's time then I would only be wasting my own time. You want me banned because I bring new unexplainable evidence to prove it was all a hoax. And you're still a liar. |
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Post by tofu on Nov 13, 2005 13:30:39 GMT -4
From BAUT: 10-November-2005, 11:07 PM 10-November-2005, 11:18 PM Those two posts can be found on this page: bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=34711&page=7Moderator, hello? If I'm out of line in drawing your attention to this please say so. Do you really believe that an adult would say the things that moonman says? Isn't it obviously that he's having us on? |
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Post by mushiwulf on Nov 13, 2005 13:33:17 GMT -4
Why don't we close it up here and let MoonMan focus on providing his argument and answering questions?
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Post by tofu on Nov 13, 2005 13:37:41 GMT -4
OK I tried. I guess I'll see you guys in about 40 pages of wasted html. ;-)
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Post by mushiwulf on Nov 13, 2005 13:41:16 GMT -4
We'll see pretty quickly I think. I figure he should at least be given an opportunity to be constructive.  |
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