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Post by mushiwulf on Nov 17, 2005 22:38:42 GMT -4
I agree that there are separations, but I feel they are still too broad.
(No apology necessary in my opinion either. Also, sorry for misspelling your name in my above post.)
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Post by PeterB on Nov 17, 2005 22:42:44 GMT -4
I'm tending to agree with Neanderthal here. I realise it's very exciting to have a genuine HB here to educate, but it doesn't help things if even half a dozen people leap at his first post before he's finished putting together his argument.
I agree his knowledge is poor, but if he gets three slightly different answers to each question, with a couple of these responses including questions of their own, there's no way we're going to get anywhere.
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Post by relic on Nov 17, 2005 22:46:07 GMT -4
Is it too much to ask that he not post until his text is complete? Moon Man if you need to get your computer up to speed then you should do it as soon as possible. It would benefit you beyond posting here..
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Post by bazbear on Nov 17, 2005 23:08:19 GMT -4
Why the need for a space suit when it's not sunny out on the moon..? Since there is no sun to bake you why not just wear an oxygen tank and mask..? Because, if it's not sunny then the astronauts would cast a shadow and then we'd have 6 more weeks of winter. Thanks for the belly laugh, Tofu! ;D
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Post by neanderthal on Nov 17, 2005 23:16:43 GMT -4
...Also, sorry for misspelling your name in my above post.) s'alright. I had to look it up to make sure before I registered Seems it can also correctly be spelt neandertal (no 'h').
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 17, 2005 23:17:39 GMT -4
Hello. I'm frustrated by the last 75 messages in this thread. There isn't a HBer you ABers would claim is smart. That's cool with me, but darn it, let me finish making my submission next time before you tear it apart. I've lost interested in finishing this thread right now because...well... just because. I'll finish it later.
My computer is messed up. It's been messed up for a while. This is my 3rd computer since 98. I'm not buying another until this one blows. It would be just as simple if everyone followed the rules instead of suggesting what I should do or how I should make my submission easier for you ABers to have a go at. In any event, I've lost a bit of control myself by continuing to respond to messages in this thread. Oh well, it's all in fun anyway...
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Bob B.
Bob the Excel Guru?
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Post by Bob B. on Nov 17, 2005 23:28:18 GMT -4
I have to plead guilty as one of those who started replying prematurely to MM’s arguments. I came here, saw it was a work in progress, left, came back, saw several people quoting him, and I thus assumed the debate had begun. It wasn't until after I made a couple posts that I noticed he was still working on it.
I realize you're having problems with your computer, MM, but as long as you continue to build your arguments in public view, mistakes like mine will happen. I will try harder from now on to not to post anything until you're ready. However, we will all be far better off if you can figure out a solution that will allow you to compose your arguments off line. The way it is being done now is highly irregular.
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Nov 17, 2005 23:37:06 GMT -4
MM, you said you couldn’t cut-and-paste to the forum. Do you have a working word processor that will allow you to save to a file? If so, perhaps you can write your submission, save it to a file, and then email the file to one of us who can then post it for you. LunarOrbit is the logical candidate to post it since he's the forum administrator, but I'd also be willing to do it.
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Post by bazbear on Nov 17, 2005 23:37:47 GMT -4
To the forum: Will you please accept my apology for confusing the "space is cold" issue? My statement about previous "space is not cold" posts being incorrect was a case of me overstepping, severely, because I had not yet clearly explained what I was referring to in the word "cold". I don't want to drag that topic into this thread; I am simply addressing what has already been brought up. I'd rather not go down in forum history as "the guy who sided with Moon Man" on this issue, because I was doing precisely otherwise. The confusion comes from different (equally valid) operative definitions of "heat" and "cold", and my attempt to give insight into a very technical defintion set failed, miserably. It's okay, I think most of us knew how you meant it. If you could survive in space without a pressure suit, and were in shadow, I would think it would eventually subjectively feel quite cold, as your body radiated away heat (italics for MM, to remind him of the only thermodynamic process that would be involved).
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 17, 2005 23:46:51 GMT -4
Hi Bob, I only have one email account that works and it would expose my personal information by google searching it. I prefer not to do it that way. I did explain all of this to the admin prior to starting the debate. There may be a way a thread or section could be open to only me while I draft it and then opened to the public. I've had this done for me on another board. I'm not asking for special treatment here but it would prevent responses until it's complete. I'm going to start working on completing the suit submission right now.
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Post by bazbear on Nov 18, 2005 0:26:03 GMT -4
Hi Bob, I only have one email account that works and it would expose my personal information by google searching it. I prefer not to do it that way. I did explain all of this to the admin prior to starting the debate. There may be a way a thread or section could be open to only me while I draft it and then opened to the public. I've had this done for me on another board. I'm not asking for special treatment here but it would prevent responses until it's complete. I'm going to start working on completing the suit submission right now. So you are incapable of creating a new "throw-away" Yahoo mail, MSN Hotmail, or other free e-mail account for what reason? You've spent countless hours arguing your unsupportable ideas, but you can't take 5 minutes to create a new e-mail address?
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Post by Obviousman on Nov 18, 2005 0:29:31 GMT -4
As I recall, the person on the BAUT board simply made an erroneous statement, however you immediately called him an expert and declared you had been proven correct. He was just as wrong as you are, but since he said what you wanted to hear you declared him right and twenty other people wrong. On this board it is simply a matter of semantics, i.e. what the definition of "cold" is. The person to whom you refer defined cold to be the absence of heat while the rest of us have used the word to mean a low temperature. However, that person agreed with the rest of us that a vacuum has no temperature because a vacuum has no matter. Semantics aside, he was clearly agreeing with us and not you. This is a very valid point, and one which I deal with every day. My current position involves aircrew flight manuals and checklists. A common checklist item we have for an emergency procedure is Land as soon as practical. Pretty simple, isn't it? No. What is practical? Is practical landing at the nearest airfield that has suitable maintenance support facilities? Is practical landing at the nearest landing ground that has access to allow maintenance support vehicles and personnel in? Is practical landing at the nearest spot that will assure crew survival on landing? You have to operate on a clear definition on these terms. The poster did not have the same definition as you. They agreed on what they thought you said, not what you had intended it to mean. Now - on to Jay. Sir, I doff my hat to you in recognition of a true virtuoso in the art of debate. Mr MM lines them up, and you knock them down. I seem to recall a comment being made with regard to someone being 'smoked'. MM, check your six because I think you are leaving a trail......
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Post by bazbear on Nov 18, 2005 0:35:50 GMT -4
Hi Bob, I only have one email account that works and it would expose my personal information by google searching it. I prefer not to do it that way. I did explain all of this to the admin prior to starting the debate. There may be a way a thread or section could be open to only me while I draft it and then opened to the public. I've had this done for me on another board. I'm not asking for special treatment here but it would prevent responses until it's complete. I'm going to start working on completing the suit submission right now. But you ARE asking for special treatment. No one else uses this board as a public scratch pad to put together a theory. It's patently ridiculous to expect that people won't comment on your "draft" work when it obviously contains one fundamental error after another.
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Post by gregtj on Nov 18, 2005 0:37:52 GMT -4
Moon man. There are so many things you could do to make people seem less hostile to you. 1. Try acknowleging thier efforts to educate you. No one is holding a gun to anyones head here, but you continually refuse to acknowlege points made. It ignores the effort people put into trying to help you and is rude. It makes people question your reason for being here in the first place. They directly point to a single issue. Explain it in detail and in laymans terms. I should know, cause I get it and I'm pretty layme myself They then ask if you understand that one (1) issue. simple yes or no question. "Do you understand?" You don't have to research anything. Its right there for you, and all you have to say is whether or not you get it. Your reply to that person (if any) completely ignores the point being made and becomes a complaint / unrelated question / or self congratulation on your new "celebrity" status. 2. Fix your dumb computer! We are'nt going anywhere. We will be here when you can CTRL-C again. Or you could just make one (1) point at a time. The only downside is that you won't have the "swamped" card to play anymore. 3. Stop thinking or talking like technology was just invented yesterday. 4. Think. Visualize. Learn (or show that you are trying). Your posts tell us that you aren't doing any of that. That would be a good start.
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Post by Moon Man on Nov 18, 2005 1:10:55 GMT -4
Hi Bob, I only have one email account that works and it would expose my personal information by google searching it. I prefer not to do it that way. I did explain all of this to the admin prior to starting the debate. There may be a way a thread or section could be open to only me while I draft it and then opened to the public. I've had this done for me on another board. I'm not asking for special treatment here but it would prevent responses until it's complete. I'm going to start working on completing the suit submission right now. So you are incapable of creating a new "throw-away" Yahoo mail, MSN Hotmail, or other free e-mail account for what reason? You've spent countless hours arguing your unsupportable ideas, but you can't take 5 minutes to create a new e-mail address? That doesn't work for me. I've tried before. I don't understand computers. I downloaded spybot and adaware to rid popups and it deleted files or whatever that operate pretty much everything. Hey, it got rid of the pop ups though. Ha! I think following the debate rules would work best.
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