HB Contradictions

[greigdempsey]

mrgorsky said:

No one is talking about "clumping". What about the fact that dust kicked up by the Lunar Rover, or the astronauts walking around, travels out in true ballistic arcs, rather than billowing into clouds as it does on earth.

Watch some footage of the Paris-Dakar rally and then some footage of the Rover on the lunar surface and then tell us that the dust doesn't behave quite differently.

Wet sand clumps, dust doesn't. You can see it clearly in the video I linked to and in other apollo shots. Further it is clear from the video that the horizontal component of the motion isn't in a vaccum. It hits a wall of air and creates waves. It doesn't billow because it is wet. The wheels of the rover churn it into sufficiently small particles to be stopped by air resistance and it is stopped.

[Jason]

Volcanic ash clumps great, even when bone dry - I used to have a vial from Mt. St. Helens that held the shape of the bottle exceptionally well.

[greigdempsey]

jason said:

Volcanic ash clumps great, even when bone dry - I used to have a vial from Mt. St. Helens that held the shape of the bottle exceptionally well.

Well perhaps that's what they used in the studio, great suggestion. Does it take a footprint ? I think you may have cracked the case here .

[Apollo Gnomon]

As I've posted elsewhere in this forum, the fake moon dirt used in the Nevada set was was composed of a mixture of volcanic ash from Mexico, and industrial waste, including fiberglass particles to achieve the halo effect.

Apollo 14 and 15 were filmed in an underground cavern set. Apollo 11 was a real fly-by, with ground footage shot in Nevada on a smaller set; 12 was shot in several locations including a volcanic crater in Oaxaca, Mexico, and from 16 on they were filming at a set in Siberia, easier to keep cool. Canceling the later missions was part of a deal with Kruschev.

[greigdempsey]

gnomon said:

As I've posted elsewhere in this forum, the fake moon dirt used in the Nevada set was was composed of a mixture of volcanic ash from Mexico, and industrial waste, including fiberglass particles to achieve the halo effect.

Apollo 14 and 15 were filmed in an underground cavern set. Apollo 11 was a real fly-by, with ground footage shot in Nevada on a smaller set; 12 was shot in several locations including a volcanic crater in Oaxaca, Mexico, and from 16 on they were filming at a set in Siberia, easier to keep cool. Canceling the later missions was part of a deal with Kruschev.

Excellent. How did you come to your conclusion about the composition of moon dust ?

thanks



www.thespacereview.com/article/396/1

By 1966 and 1967, Johnson, then President, desperately needed to cut expenditures to pay for the escalating Vietnam War. So he proposed to the leaders of the Soviet Union that they agree to a treaty, which became the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, to eliminate the key prizes to be won in the space race, especially the right of either nation to claim the Moon. That allowed both sides to move expensive space development to the back burner—where it has stayed ever since.

[echnaton]

greigdempsey said:

echnaton said:

"No props can reproduce what is seen in the Apollo video."

You are a film director or a special effects director perhaps ?

Are you? Just saying so does not make it true. This is your claim, do you have any facts to back it up?

I didn't make any claim.. He said it couldn't be done. It's much easier if we stick to what is actually said ..

You brought up an old thread by quoting a year old post. Your posts are not part of a continuing conversation but starting a new one. It is fair to ask you to not just dispute what others say but to bring some information to the conversation. That is if you came here for a purpose other than to criticize others.

[Apollo Gnomon]

Excellent. How did you come to your conclusion about the composition of moon dust ?

thanks

You've already voiced your distain for reading back-posts, but I can recommend the thread "shadow of a rock."

I'm one of the "paid debunkers" you sometimes hear about on conspiracy sites, but I'm rather tired of it, and I've come "out." I can tell you all kinds of stuff about the REAL way the hoax was commited, stuff the Hoax Believers couldn't even guess about.

All the other debunkers here will deny all of it, of course.

[phunk]

Where do I send my resume to get that job? I'd LOVE to get paid to do this.

[greigdempsey]

gnomon said:

Excellent. How did you come to your conclusion about the composition of moon dust ?

thanks

You've already voiced your distain for reading back-posts, but I can recommend the thread "shadow of a rock."

I'm one of the "paid debunkers" you sometimes hear about on conspiracy sites, but I'm rather tired of it, and I've come "out." I can tell you all kinds of stuff about the REAL way the hoax was commited, stuff the Hoax Believers couldn't even guess about.

All the other debunkers here will deny all of it, of course.

According to the search engne there is no thread of that name and it's why I didn't look through the other thread either. By your language I doubt you are a profession debunker but I have seen that kind if chuzpah displayed by real professionals in other areas, so maybe you are.

The volcanic dust is a keeper, thanks.

[Apollo Gnomon]

"They" come to you. Then you can't hide.

After the "shadow" thread I received several threats from the secret society that runs it. That's why I backed off for a while - I didn't want to get the dreaded "turnip in the tailpipe" warning.

And now I've got a private message from "control" telling me to back off. So I will.

I don't want to be sent to "searing radiation hell."

[Apollo Gnomon]

Greig:

I've found the search function here to be sub-par. Try just looking at page 5 of the "hoax theory" area.

PM me if you want more information.

[Bob B.]

greigdempsey said:

Further it is clear from the video that the horizontal component of the motion isn't in a vaccum. It hits a wall of air and creates waves. It doesn't billow because it is wet. The wheels of the rover churn it into sufficiently small particles to be stopped by air resistance and it is stopped.

The dust does not behave as you describe. I believe you are being fooled by the complexity of the many overlaping trajectories of the particles being kicked up by the rover wheels.

[Apollo Gnomon]

The volcanic dust is a keeper, thanks.

Please don't spread it around.

BTW, word to the wise for other debunkers: the real LunarOrbit is on again today, not the AI, so watch yourselves.

[greigdempsey]

bob said:

greigdempsey said:

Further it is clear from the video that the horizontal component of the motion isn't in a vaccum. It hits a wall of air and creates waves. It doesn't billow because it is wet. The wheels of the rover churn it into sufficiently small particles to be stopped by air resistance and it is stopped.

The dust does not behave as you describe. I believe you are being fooled by the complexity of the many overlaping trajectories of the particles being kicked up by the rover wheels.

I don't believe I am. You can very clearly see individual waves of 'dust' going up and stopping in this video at just before 29 minutes here.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5278489814268946247&q=moon+paper

[nomuse]

How is it HB's can only make an argument by saying "Here, watch this 40-minute, badly-compressed video with swarmy commentary and lots of unlabeled, uncredited footage?"

I dunno, if I walked into a forum and started trumpetting about how many Phd's I'd worked with, I'd maybe come up with something better than links to Google videos...