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Post by Data Cable on May 3, 2008 0:42:06 GMT -4
Now, didn't the Apollo missions also have a camera that showed them at launch? I seem to recall seeing such footage in the opening of "Star Trek: Enterprise". That was a shuttle crew, as I recall. |
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Post by Count Zero on May 3, 2008 3:14:40 GMT -4
Correct. The only time an Apollo launch televised video was the last mission; the Apollo Soyuz Test Project. I skipped summer school to watch it live!
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Post by Grand Lunar on May 3, 2008 7:06:19 GMT -4
No, it wasn't a shuttle crew. The interior is clear an Apollo capsule; the three astronauts together. There's gotta be a video clip of the title somewhere.
What about Mercury and Gemini missions? Any in cabin launch footage there? I seem to recall one such mission had a camera. A Mercury mission, IIRC.
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Post by LunarOrbit on May 3, 2008 8:41:57 GMT -4
No, it wasn't a shuttle crew. The interior is clear an Apollo capsule; the three astronauts together. There's gotta be a video clip of the title somewhere. I thought the Enterprise intro showed shuttle astronauts during launch, they were wearing orange flight suits if I remember correctly. The intro is on YouTube but the site isn't working for me this morning so I can't verify it. Edited: Ok, I finally got to see the video and you're right, it is from the ASTP launch. It goes by so quickly that I never caught that before, I only saw orange flight suits and assumed it was from a shuttle launch (and the fact that it immediately follows footage of a shuttle launch also didn't help). |
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Post by Ginnie on May 3, 2008 9:23:24 GMT -4
No, it wasn't a shuttle crew. The interior is clear an Apollo capsule; the three astronauts together. There's gotta be a video clip of the title somewhere. What about Mercury and Gemini missions? Any in cabin launch footage there? I seem to recall one such mission had a camera. A Mercury mission, IIRC. That's because an Apollo capsule was used for Apollo-Soyuz. The three astronauts would be Tom Stafford, Vance Brand and (finally!) DekeSlayton, who was the only remaining Mercury 7 astronaut alive that had not yet made a spaceflight. His irregular heartbeat settled down after discovering that some medication worked. EDIT: Oh, silly me. You were referring to a Shuttle crew. Nevermind. I sure get mixed up sometimes.  |
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Post by Bob B. on May 3, 2008 12:38:14 GMT -4
What about Mercury and Gemini missions? Any in cabin launch footage there? I seem to recall one such mission had a camera. A Mercury mission, IIRC. The Mercury missions definitely had cameras in them, though I don't know about Gemini. The camera in Mercury were used to record the astronaut's movements and eye motions. Subsequent analysis showed which instruments the astronaut was focusing his attention on and at what time during the flight. This allowed engineers to evaluate astronaut performance and cockpit instrument layout so that future improvements could be made. |
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Post by Count Zero on May 4, 2008 11:04:54 GMT -4
Edited: Ok, I finally got to see the video and you're right, it is from the ASTP launch. It goes by so quickly that I never caught that before, I only saw orange flight suits and assumed it was from a shuttle launch (and the fact that it immediately follows footage of a shuttle launch also didn't help). I don't think it's from the ASTP. Here's the image:  My memory of the ASTP video was that the shot was a bit wider, showing the astronauts flat on their backs (i.e. the top of the picture was towards the front of the spacecraft). The camera was mounted looking across the seats from the right side of the cabin (this picture is from the left). Note that the image might have been rotated and reversed for the Enterprise clip, but there is other evidence: - The Apollo helmets did not use that type of dark visor. - The Apollo helmets had a different curvature. - The Apollo comm cap (the so-called "Snoopy hat") was black and white, whereas these are just white.  Two possibilities occur to me. First, this might be a Soyuz crew. However, the photos that I have found show these crewmen wearing black comm caps. Alternately, this could be a view of the Shuttle's lower deck. IIRC, they put the seats three abreast down there in coach class. I do not know if the Shuttle crews wear white comm caps. |
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Post by George Tirebiter on May 5, 2008 1:06:52 GMT -4
Two possibilities occur to me. First, this might be a Soyuz crew. However, the photos that I have found show these crewmen wearing black comm caps. Alternately, this could be a view of the Shuttle's lower deck. IIRC, they put the seats three abreast down there in coach class. I do not know if the Shuttle crews wear white comm caps. That looks like a Shuttle crew to me. I can't tell if the suits are the older LES or the newer ACES, but I think those are definitely the larger NASA helmets for the David Clark S-series suits. Notice the separate hinged faceplate and tinted visor; the white comm cord running from the left rear of the helmet, over the shoulder, and down the front of the suit (visible on the farthest and center astronauts); the faceplate latch and "Baylor" bar at the bottom front of the helmet (most visible on the closest astronaut); and the helmet tie-down strap and pulley (barely visible on the chest of the center astronaut). |
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Post by dwight on May 5, 2008 3:59:50 GMT -4
The above clip is definitely _not_ ASTP. The correct shot shows Vance Brand quite clearly and is mounted on the left side of the crew seats if you were facing the astronauts. If anyone is interested I have the complete ASTP downlink. Also, Gemini only had 16mm DAC cameras no TV. Mercury had two cameras, one facing the astronaut, and the other facing the instrument panel. A slow scan TV system was used on Cooper's flight which returned a frame rate of 1 frame per 2 seconds . www.answers.com/topic/slow-scan-tv?cat=technologyand the ASTP camera view while docked with Vance Brand in the CM: forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment-big.asp?action=view&attachmentid=17568 |
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Post by George Tirebiter on May 6, 2008 23:27:35 GMT -4
I finally found the clip used in the Enterprise intro. Count Zero is correct: it's the Shuttle mid-deck. The video is from the STS-95 launch, making that John Glen in the center (which is why NASA put a camera down there) with Stephen Robinson to his left and Chiaki Mukai to his right. The original video can be downloaded from this page (although it runs 3 or 4 times too fast): spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/video/shuttle/sts-95/ndxpage2.html |
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Post by ineluki on Jun 4, 2008 8:53:46 GMT -4
1. NASA could keep this hidden from it's workers. Very few would know about the Hoax.
2. The russians knew about it.
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Post by raven on Jun 4, 2008 16:18:58 GMT -4
1. NASA could keep this hidden from it's workers. Very few would know about the Hoax. How? And if they did, then the workers and engineers would have been trying to make a good ship. And if they could make a good ship, how come they didn't go? Then why didn't they say anything? To use an analogy, lets say you were in charge of a large multinational corporation, in DIRECT competition with another large multinational corporation. Lets say you found out that not only was the product they had been hyping not only didn't do what they said it did, it wasn't even real. Why would you keep silent? What could possibly convince you to keep hushed up? There would be no human or rational reason to do so. It would be in your extreme best interests to tell EVERYONE. Explain your reasoning. |
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Post by laurel on Jun 4, 2008 17:57:23 GMT -4
I don't think Ineluki was expressing his/her own opinion there. He/she was probably just listing another part of the hoax theory that doesn't make sense. The HBs do give some reasons why the Russians didn't speak up about the hoax (the Americans paid them off, they wanted to blackmail the Americans, or they were faking their own space program and didn't want the Americans to expose them), but they don't have any evidence for any of those scenarios.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 4, 2008 18:05:34 GMT -4
Quite correct, Ineluki was returning the thread to the OP by noting the HB contridiction that NASA was able to pull off a hoax without the thousands of workers figuring it out, and yet the Soviets knew and kept quiet. The obvious contridiction here is that NASA could hide it from people actively on involved in the Project, but not the Soviets who were merely watching it from a distance.
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Post by raven on Jun 4, 2008 18:44:41 GMT -4
My apologies then. I am sorry. Got a little trigger happy there.
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