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Post by AtomicDog on Mar 3, 2007 14:12:39 GMT -4
IFalse data has been manufactured before and the whole country ended up believing it. Answer this question. Do you argue that all of the Apollo data are proof that we went to the moon? Considering that it's good data and is still being used 35 years later I'd say, yeah, it's pretty good evidence.
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Post by echnaton on Mar 3, 2007 14:48:03 GMT -4
All l'm saying is that all of that data is not proof that Apollo was real as data can be manufactured. Then go ahead and show that the Apollo evidence was manufactured. Otherwise you are just speculating with no basis for your opinion. Which is it?
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Post by wingerii on Mar 3, 2007 15:05:02 GMT -4
David, do you understand the difference between "could do" and "did"? Between "can be" and "is"?
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Post by gillianren on Mar 3, 2007 16:08:16 GMT -4
I'm saying that we can't believe everything we read . . . . Yes, we know. You've certainly said it often enough. However, you then completely fail to give any reason for what you do believe. I've asked it before, and I'm asking it again. Why do you believe the sites you read/view more than you believe what we're telling you? What tests to their objectivity have you applied?
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Post by Obviousman on Mar 3, 2007 16:40:06 GMT -4
Nearly two years and David still parrots the same old lines - even the same old links!
Same MO, too: post YouTube, irrelevant or dubious claims, fail to provide any supporting evidence for his claims, make some ad homs when claims are being soundly defeated, and then claim being banned was because of the "truth" being suppressed.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Mar 3, 2007 17:22:43 GMT -4
I'm saying that we can't believe everything we read and I'm giving examples of untruths that are in the press. That is the topic. If I get warned or banned for that it will be an injustice. Okay, so you mention off topic subjects to show something that we already know. It's common courtesy to stay on topic, you know. If you want to talk Apollo, then talk about Apollo. Don't go off on a tangent about genetically engineered foods, depleted uranium, ect. Save that for the section that it belongs in. You were already told it didn't belong here. If you get banned, it's not an injustice. It just will show that you don't know how to follow forum rules. It doesn't take much effort to remain on topic. You could at least excuse yourself for going off topic. The problem is that you're not suggesting anything else that would be proof (at least in your view) of Apollo was real. You also show no evidence that the data was false. Most important, is that you do not show why Apollo would have to be faked. Nor do you show what differentiates between Apollo and other space missions. In history, the primary difference is that this happens to be the first time humans went someplace else other than Earth orbit. You apparently don't doubt the machine missions that went to the moon, to say nothing of probes that have crossed the solar system (at least, you haven't shown that you do). Why is that? I asked you such questions before (including in this thread). Why do you ignore them? Is it because it shows the flaw in your thinking? Not only the data, but also the technology and applications that have come from it. And then there's also the fact that no one has provided sufficient reason that the missions could not have taken place. Your method of trying to make your point, posting links to videos, is not going to strengthen your case. This is especially true if the videos are not related to the subject at hand.
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Post by hplasm on Mar 3, 2007 19:46:22 GMT -4
All of the above are fake. I don't need to prove it; Rocky can you prove any of it is not? Put up or stop posting this off-topic bogusness. Or at least something you haven't posted on every 'freethinker' forum from "Aardvark Attacks" to "Zoologists- are they watching us?"
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 3, 2007 19:47:24 GMT -4
I'm saying that we can't believe everything we read...
But you do believe everything you read, as long as it seems to lend credibility to what you already believe.
All l'm saying is that all of that data is not proof that Apollo was real as data can be manufactured.
It can also be real. If you argue that it was manufactured then you have the burden to prove it. Links to long-debunked conspiracy arguments from people who have no idea what they're talking about is not proof.
Do you argue that all of the Apollo data are proof that we went to the moon?
It depends on what you mean by proof in this sentence. I believe that the best explanation for all the available evidence is that the Apollo missions were real. If you have a better theory, state it and show how it better explains all the evidence.
You said there were many credible alternatives. Do you believe in any of them? If so, state one and defend it instead of trying oh-so-wishfully to pretend that evidence is not evidence.
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Post by Alliterative Andy on Mar 3, 2007 20:02:27 GMT -4
Lot's of data have been offered as proof that the moon missions were real. So, you agree that the evidence presented proves the missions were real? Oh, the possibilities are just endless, aren't they? How about this one, then (and doesn't have anything to do with Apollo at all - fitting for your argument, don't you think? Please prove to the rest of the members in this forum that it is not possible for you and I to be the same person. Until you do, I see no reason for them to believe otherwise.
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 3, 2007 20:07:22 GMT -4
Considering that it's good data and is still being used 35 years later I'd say, yeah, it's pretty good evidence.
Yes, that claim of Rocky's has to be the most wishfully ignorant thing I have heard this week. Never mind that millions of people's lives and hundreds of billions of dollars of commerce have been based on it -- if Rocky doesn't want to believe in it, it's bogus.
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Post by hplasm on Mar 3, 2007 20:37:48 GMT -4
Lot's of data have been offered as proof that the moon missions were real. So, you agree that the evidence presented proves the missions were real? Oh, the possibilities are just endless, aren't they? How about this one, then (and doesn't have anything to do with Apollo at all - fitting for your argument, don't you think? Please prove to the rest of the members in this forum that it is not possible for you and I to be the same person. Until you do, I see no reason for them to believe otherwise. No! I'm Rocky!
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Post by sts60 on Mar 3, 2007 20:51:05 GMT -4
I'm saying that we can't believe everything we read and I'm giving examples of untruths that are in the press.
Unnecessary. I and others are already plenty skeptical of what we read.
That is the topic.
No. The topic is the Apollo program. Your general appeal to conspiracy is nothing more than a red herring, and any further irrelevant examples will be ignored.
If I get warned or banned for that it will be an injustice.
No. It will be your fault because you lack the self-control to discuss the topic. But you'd like to get banned, wouldn't you? Then you could whine about the "injustice" to the rest of the tinfoil helmet crowd.
All l'm saying is that all of that data is not proof that Apollo was real as data can be manufactured. False data has been manufactured before and the whole country ended up believing it.
Repeat handwaving, and rejected. It has already been explained to you that such "manufactured" data would be exposed by nations and agencies worldwide. You are, of course, welcome to actually defend this claim with specific ways such fake data could fool all the world's spacefaring entities. Handwaving claims of "they're all in on it" will be ignored.
Answer this question.
Nope. Time for you to start answering questions.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Mar 3, 2007 20:51:48 GMT -4
I thought I was rocky! Who the hell am I?
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Post by hplasm on Mar 3, 2007 20:54:39 GMT -4
I thought I was rocky! Who the hell am I? You are David C. I am number 2.
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Post by gillianren on Mar 3, 2007 23:09:50 GMT -4
I am Spartacus!
Oh, sorry. No. I mean, I am David!
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