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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 14, 2007 0:37:03 GMT -4
They don't do any research at all and ignore evidence they don't like
That's exactly how they managed to doubt it. They listen to the HP's tell them all anbout how evil the US Government is and how it has been lying to them, then they don't bother doing anything else and if anyone tells them that they are wrong, they simply consider it to be "Disinformation" and refuse to listen.
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 14, 2007 0:49:46 GMT -4
...if anyone tells them that they are wrong, they simply consider it to be "Disinformation" and refuse to listen.
And often pat themselves on the back for being so clever and undeceived.
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Post by Data Cable on Jun 14, 2007 8:45:27 GMT -4
Then how in the heck can HBers doubt the moon landings at all? I just don't get it. They don't do any research at all and ignore evidence they don't like I think you just answered your own question. ;D
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Post by sts60 on Jun 14, 2007 9:17:32 GMT -4
Then how in the heck can HBers doubt the moon landings at all?
"I don't believe Apollo ever went to the Moon!" "But people tracked them there - amateurs listened to the radio signals in the U.S., in Britain..." "NASA paid them to say that." "But the Soviets tracked them to the Moon." "They were in on it too. We paid them off with wheat." "But this was the height of the Cold War!" "The Cold War was a fake."
Don't laugh. A lot of Apollo HBs really have claimed the Cold War was fake.
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Post by Ginnie on Jun 14, 2007 20:03:13 GMT -4
uh uh, Okay, now I understand completely. Certainly makes sense. Obviously logical. Yep, yep...oh, oh I'm learning towards the dark side. Oh, that's just a light that burnt out in my living room...phew, lucky for me.
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 14, 2007 21:00:07 GMT -4
Don't laugh. A lot of Apollo HBs really have claimed the Cold War was fake.
Of course, because the worldwide shadow government had to stage that whole Cold War to keep people from discovering the Freemason/Nazi bases on the Moon. Oh, wait... (I think my brain just broke.)
Real investigations look for the minimal explanation. In conspiracy-theory Bizarro World the largest theory is preferred, the one that involves the most people.
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Post by Kiwi on Jun 15, 2007 4:39:45 GMT -4
The West Australian, Wednesday 23 July 1969, page 8 Congratulations from Kosygin... Sort of makes you wonder about the Soviet Union supposedly being bought off with wheat to help with the cover-up. I don't know who started that story, but Ralph Rene, on page 41 of his book Nasa Mooned America, writes: On July 8, 1972, our government shocked the entire world by announcing that we would sell about ¼ of our entire crop of wheat to Russia at a fixed price of $1.63 per bushel... ...Now how much did the moon cost us? Would our government be a party to blackmail? Nah!I remember hearing about it at the time, but I don't recall being shocked at all. And perhaps I'm wrong, but I've long believed that 8 July 1972 came almost three years after Kosygin's congratulations for the first moon-landing on 22 July 1969. That's quite a gap. Besides, didn't the USA and the Soviets sign an important pact regarding nuclear arms in Moscow on 29 May 1972? Could it just be that the wheat deal had a lot more to do with that than any cover-up of an imaginary moon-landing hoax?
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Post by ineluki on Jun 15, 2007 8:15:48 GMT -4
Oh, wait... (I think my brain just broke.) The first requirement for a true HB...
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Post by Jason on Jun 17, 2007 23:37:25 GMT -4
I thought we bought off the Soviets with wheat for the1980 hockey victory at the Olympics.
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Post by Kiwi on Jun 18, 2007 9:34:54 GMT -4
Besides, didn't the USA and the Soviets sign an important pact regarding nuclear arms in Moscow on 29 May 1972? Could it just be that the wheat deal had a lot more to do with that than any cover-up of an imaginary moon-landing hoax? I'm not familiar with where to look online for American history. Does anybody know of any good websites that might throw more light on this pact and, in particular, whether wheat was part of the deal? It was the first ever visit to Moscow by an American president and Nixon had spent a week there at a summit. Both Nixon and Brezhnev signed the pact. Can anyone look up newspapers of the time? It would be good to find out the official reasons for the wheat deal. By the way, less than three weeks after Nixon signed the pact, five men were arrested at the Watergate complex in Washington.
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Post by furi on Jun 18, 2007 10:49:24 GMT -4
www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/library/treaties/usa-ussr/trty_us-ussr_interim-agreement-icbms_1972-05-26.htmThere was also the Seabed treaty www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/library/treaties/seabed/trty_seabed_1972-05-18.htm(Which if I remember was a bit of a bugger in relation for the propsed Mining of the GIUK gap with Small Nuclear ASW torps.) However no particular mentioning of grain transfer, but it is not too hard to imagine Grain transfer among some of the bargaining chips bounced around. Will Dig a little further (ignoring the *9 Gallon (Imp) Beer barrels* CT sites) and append if found *** Have you ever tried to look up the words SALT and Grain and find a relevant entry*** However, this seems to hold a lot of very specific data www.ifpri.org/pubs/books/Anderson89/Anderson89ch04.pdf I'm not an economist or a strategic Economic/Agricultural Planner There Also seems to be a policy Change in The Soviet Union in 1972 to allow the Importation of Grain To match any shortfall in their production, rather than the Slaughter of Cattle to reduce consumption, and also the modification of Strategic food production to increase Grain and Protein intake in the diet, this seemed to be the Case with US sales which as a sweetner with the SALT treaty (possibly an offer from the USSR to US to relax trade as opposed to an US suggested bribe) There was also a mass increase in trade US-PRC that year, and as far as trade goes, Trade USSR - Western Europe was Higher than the trade with the US, and Imports from Eastern Bloc and gen Comintern states was higher still, however Growth in general Trade to non Comintern countries Grew substantially faster in 1972,
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 18, 2007 19:02:08 GMT -4
I thought we bought off the Soviets with wheat for the1980 hockey victory at the Olympics. Didn't the US Boycott the 1980 Olympics? eta: never mind, I see you meant Ice Hockey at the 1980 Winter Olympics.
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 18, 2007 19:06:12 GMT -4
The U.S. boycotted the 1980 summer Olympic Games, but did not (obviously) boycott the winter games, which were held in the U.S. that year.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 18, 2007 19:07:55 GMT -4
Yeah I spotted that, after posting. Down here Hockey means Field Hockey and The Olympics means Summer Olympics.
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Post by Kiwi on Jun 19, 2007 5:07:37 GMT -4
Thanks, Furi (Post 40.)
SALT and Grain... Isn't that porridge? ;D
I was hoping sombody might be able to look up U.S. newpapers around that date (Post 39). We'll no doubt have a bit about it here in our papers, but probably less information than U.S. newspapers might have.
I just remembered that I have a CD-ROM with excerpts from Time magazine up until 1995. Must look it up.
It would be nice to be able to thumb our noses at HPs and their HB followers and say, "We know why the U.S. really sold the Soviets that wheat."
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