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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 3, 2007 23:07:47 GMT -4
note: Not sure if this belongs here or not. I figured since it relates to the hoax theory, this would be a good location. If not, corrective action is authorized, at no extra charge. ;D
A rather depressing thought occured to me.
Eventually, the Apollo 11 astronauts will no longer be with us. This, of course, is inevitable.
What occured to me is that how many HBs will resort to the low-life tactic of waiting until their deaths to cite them as being potential whistle-blowers, that were about to reveal Apollo as a hoax, but were assainated by "NASA death squads"?
Little doubt in my mind that the self-proclaimed "grandson of Bill Kaying" (some of you know his (online] name and have met him before) will the one to jump on such a bandwagon.
Thoughts?
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Post by AtomicDog on Nov 4, 2007 0:30:38 GMT -4
As I recall, some HBs have already attempted to tarnish Jim Irwin's name in such a fashion.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 4, 2007 8:21:19 GMT -4
IIRC, Bill Kaysing started that.
BTW, great avatar! Histrorical!
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Post by BertL on Nov 4, 2007 9:23:53 GMT -4
I would not be surprised if something that distastefull would be said. It happened before.
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Post by AtomicDog on Nov 4, 2007 10:48:45 GMT -4
BTW, great avatar! Histrorical!
Thanks! There's one floating around that's animated that I'd like to get.
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Post by BertL on Nov 4, 2007 11:00:09 GMT -4
Thanks! There's one floating around that's animated that I'd like to get. Do you mean this one?
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Post by ineluki on Nov 5, 2007 8:30:48 GMT -4
but were assainated by "NASA death squads"? Thoughts? Personally I think everyone comitting this kind of slander / libel should be fed to the Alligators at the KSC But seriously, I don't think that such claims will be very successful in creating new HBs. People dying around 80 isn't really suspicious.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Nov 5, 2007 9:12:32 GMT -4
A man with a heart condition who has suffered at least one heart attack before dying of another heart attack is not suspicious either, but that didn't stop Kaysing....
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Post by JayUtah on Nov 5, 2007 10:23:44 GMT -4
Jim Irwin's high school was the location for Disney's High School Musical. And we all know Disney studios and Von Braun teamed up to fake the Apollo video, with Stanley Kubrick directing. Cue eerie music.
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Post by inconceivable on Nov 5, 2007 17:49:52 GMT -4
Also, Disney had eight if the first Hewlett-Packard 200B computers back in 1939 .
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Post by ineluki on Nov 6, 2007 5:25:08 GMT -4
A man with a heart condition who has suffered at least one heart attack before dying of another heart attack is not suspicious either, but that didn't stop Kaysing.... Granted, but did anyone (who wasn't already at least "woo") belief him?
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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 6, 2007 7:28:25 GMT -4
A man with a heart condition who has suffered at least one heart attack before dying of another heart attack is not suspicious either, but that didn't stop Kaysing.... Granted, but did anyone (who wasn't already at least "woo") belief him? Yes.
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Post by laurel on Dec 9, 2007 20:34:12 GMT -4
Bill Kaysing also said the Challenger crew was murdered because Christa McAuliffe was going to say people could see the stars in space and astronauts aren't supposed to say that. It's strange because in his book Carrying The Fire, Michael Collins described seeing countless bright stars when he was standing in the open hatch of Gemini 10 (on the night side of the earth) getting ready for an EVA. He said it was "the best view of the universe that a human has ever had." The book is from 1974; if NASA people were going to "silence" him, I think they would have done it by now.
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Post by Bob B. on Dec 9, 2007 21:31:12 GMT -4
Bill Kaysing also said the Challenger crew was murdered because Christa McAuliffe was going to say people could see the stars in space and astronauts aren't supposed to say that. It's strange because in his book Carrying The Fire, Michael Collins described seeing countless bright stars when he was standing in the open hatch of Gemini 10 (on the night side of the earth) getting ready for an EVA. He said it was "the best view of the universe that a human has ever had." The book is from 1974; if NASA people were going to "silence" him, I think they would have done it by now. The following is from the air-ground communications from John Glenn’s MA-6 flight on February 20, 1962. Mission time is in hours, minutes, seconds from liftoff. 00:43:06 (Glenn) “The sky above is absolutely black, completely black. I can see stars though up above. I do not have any of the constellations identified as yet. Over.” 00:43:17 (Capcom) “Roger, understand Friendship Seven.” 00:48:55 (Glenn) “This is Friendship Seven, broadcasting in the blind. Wait a minute. Friendship Seven, broadcasting in the blind, making observations on night outside. There seems to be a high layer way up above the horizon; much higher than anything I saw on the daylight side. The stars seem to go through it and then go on down toward the real horizon. It would appear to be possibly some 7 or 8 degrees wide. I can see the clouds down below it; then a dark band, then a lighter band that the stars shine right through as they come down toward the horizon. I can identify Aries and Triangulum. 00:50:25 (Capcom) “Roger. Do you have any star or weather or landmark observations as yet? Over.” 00:50:29 (Glenn) “Roger. I was just making some to the recorder. The only unusual thing I have noticed is a rather high, what would appear to be a haze layer up some 7 or 8 degrees above the horizon on the night side. The stars I can see through it as they go down toward the real horizon, but it is a very visible single band or layer pretty well up above the normal horizon. Over.” 00:53:20 (Glenn) “This is Friendship Seven. I have the Pleiades is sight out here, very clear. Picking up some of these star patterns now. Little better than I was just off of Africa.” 00:53:33 (Capcom) “Roger, understand you have the Pleiades in sight. Have you sighted Orion yet? Over.” 00:53:38 (Glenn) “Negative. Do not have Orion in sight yet.” 00:53:41 (Capcom) “Within a few seconds, you should have Orion and Canopus and Sirius probably in sight very shortly thereafter. The moon will be off….” 00:53:50 (Glenn) “Roger.” These are the references to stars that I could find from the first orbit. I didn’t bother reading through the transcript for the 2nd and 3rd orbits. Clearly the claim that astronauts never talk about seeing stars is patently false. Bill Kaysing was a lying SOB.
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Post by Al Johnston on Dec 10, 2007 7:47:53 GMT -4
The astronauts had to be able to see stars in order to take sights and thereby work out which way their spacecraft was pointing...
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