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Post by Obviousman on Nov 9, 2007 20:24:57 GMT -4
This is classic Jack White: The photo "experiment" is a visual non-sequitur and thus is irrelevant.
It does not represent a replication of sun photos taken from the moon, which were at known apertures (like f5.6, 8 or 11). The f settings "on the moon" were not meant to expose correctly for the direct sun, but for the "moonscape" to expose properly.
The experiment sequence was shot with 35mm, not a Hasselblad. None of the exposures exhibits a halo effect like Apollo pix. I won't even go into the atmosphere vs vacuum issue...but on earth a "flare" is caused by air particles reflecting the sunlight; in a vacuum the "air" should allow for crisper images without halos or flares.
The experiment is worthless, shows no characteristics of Apollo exposures, and was not shot under correct conditions with the proper f-stop. Garbage in, garbage out.educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=11139&view=findpost&p=126732Hohohoho!
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Post by scooter on Nov 9, 2007 20:50:55 GMT -4
I'm confident that there are Shuttle flight photos that have lens flare in them...but they must have been added to give credibility to the Apollo shots.
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Post by gwiz on Nov 10, 2007 11:18:30 GMT -4
If Jack is the photo expert he claims to be, he is now resorting to lying to maintain his position. If he is not lying, then he does not have the expertise he claims. If he does not have the expertise he claims, then he is lying.
Either way, Jack White is a liar.
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Post by Bob B. on Nov 10, 2007 12:02:11 GMT -4
Either way, Jack White is a liar. He could just be too ignorant to realize how ignorant he is.
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Post by JayUtah on Nov 10, 2007 12:18:56 GMT -4
It has been apparent to me for some time that Jack suffers from a very well developed metacognitive dysfunction. This is an actual, studied psychological phenomenon where people literally don't have the ability to recognize their own deficiency. Therefore they wrongly style themselves as some kind of expert, or at least competent.
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Post by Joe Durnavich on Nov 10, 2007 12:55:02 GMT -4
It has been apparent to me for some time that Jack suffers from a very well developed metacognitive dysfunction.
No. We suffer from it.
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Post by AtomicDog on Nov 10, 2007 14:07:22 GMT -4
I call it the "Beavis and Butthead Syndrome" - Idiots who think that they are geniuses.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 10, 2007 15:17:01 GMT -4
I call it the "Beavis and Butthead Syndrome" - Idiots who think that they are geniuses. Didn't Peter Griffin once suffer from this as well?
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Post by Count Zero on Nov 10, 2007 23:48:22 GMT -4
[Homer] <singing> "I am so smart! I am so smart! S-M-R-T . . ." [/Homer]
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Post by Obviousman on Nov 11, 2007 1:36:51 GMT -4
I think it is delusional. As Jay has said, he honestly cannot accept that what he believes / says is wrong regardless of the evidence. It is not a purposeful deception, though that is what it appears like.
I am wondering if it is anything to do with Jack's age? Dementia is an insidious disease.
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Post by Joe Durnavich on Nov 11, 2007 9:38:33 GMT -4
Jack White has been like that for ages. After all, he stood before the HSCA Photographic Evidence Panel in 1977-78 and claimed that the shadows were inconsistent in the Oswald backyard photographs. (The Panel didn't buy it.)
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Post by craiglamson on Nov 11, 2007 10:35:15 GMT -4
Jack White has been like that for ages. After all, he stood before the HSCA Photographic Evidence Panel in 1977-78 and claimed that the shadows were inconsistent in the Oswald backyard photographs. (The Panel didn't buy it.) You are so right Joe. If you go back and research Jack White and the JFK photo record you will find that his ability in regards to photography is unchanged from today...that is...nonexistant...as well as his ability to learn or admit error. What is most suprising is the status given him by the ignorant and clueless. I guess for some worldview trumps truth everytime.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 11, 2007 17:10:03 GMT -4
This appeare be common amongst the HB crowd, no matter the individual that supports their views.
I'm surprised that they don't elect our previous member Moon Man as leader of their movement.
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Post by AtomicDog on Nov 12, 2007 1:40:57 GMT -4
It's astounding - Straydog denies that the sun is causing the lens flares in the Apollo photos, and to support his cause, he links to a site that shows solar lens flare photos that look identical to the ones taken on the moon - proving that the Apollo photos could be made with sunlight!
Jack's toady strikes again!
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Post by Obviousman on Nov 12, 2007 4:11:34 GMT -4
It's just a continuation of their denial. I'm actually quite astounded that otherwise normal people are like this.
They nicely set themselves up: you show other examples of lens flare.
"Oh.." they say, "...but that was taken in an atmosphere. Proves my point, you see."
So you show a photo taken in space.
"Ah, that one has been faked because in space it wouldn't look like that, once more proving my point!" they say. Impenetrable logic - if it agrees with me it is the truth. If it refutes me, it is false.
These are situations where Joe Average cannot take their camera out and prove to themselves what the HBs are saying is incorrect. Mind you, even those situations won't stop the determined HB. Perhaps you remember - what a surprise! - Jack's claim that the photographers shadow must fall to the centre of the image.
Various people showed he was wrong.... so he changes the conditions.
Under the new conditions, more images proving him wrong. Change the conditions again.
New revised conditions - the images still prove him wrong. Perhaps an ordinary mortal might have admitted they had made an error somewhere but not Super Jack! He just denied he was wrong and kept moving the goalposts until they were not even near a playing field anymore. I'm pretty sure they weren't even on the same planet.
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