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Post by tedward on Dec 28, 2007 19:35:22 GMT -4
Just a thought on the "help" not showing their faces in "military helping in fake" link. If you wanted to stage something, would you be sure that the clips with people helping be destroyed? If you were unsure then make them wear masks for example so as not to provide an identity to the helpers so they would not be encumbered with keeping faces averted. If anything, if you were to fake something as important as this then you would be sure the unwanted would be destroyed and not worrying over people being identified. More to the point, if the clips got released, then it would not matter if faces were seen or not.
But, I would also argue that there are faces visible and discernible should you be able to see the original format. MPEG is a sod for mucking things up on occasion.
I realise the video is a fake. Just trying to think out the things claimed.
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Post by Ginnie on Dec 28, 2007 20:08:40 GMT -4
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Post by Czero 101 on Dec 28, 2007 20:32:08 GMT -4
Out of morbid curiosity I had a look at that page. The guy's just another hand-waving crackpot. I want the 30 seconds of my life that it took to figure that out back  Cz |
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Post by laurel on Dec 28, 2007 22:11:53 GMT -4
What was it a TV commercial for?
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Post by HeadLikeARock (was postbaguk) on Dec 29, 2007 19:49:36 GMT -4
What was it a TV commercial for? Off the top of my head, I think it was Kit Kat (the tagline being "Have a break, Have a Kit Kat"). I'm fairly sure it wasn't filmed in Area 51... or the moon for that matter. |
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 30, 2007 11:11:20 GMT -4
The video clip Ted uses is unquestionably an internet viral marketing clip produced several years ago. While Ted may be confused about its origin -- likely due simply to having scammed it third- or fourth-hand from YouTube -- there is no general question about its provenance. It was revealed as a hoax by its maker.
Within about a day after its release, I and others posted on BAUT a list of evidentiary points suggesting that the video was a modern forgery (e.g., the lower-third title purporting to be 1960s video toaster text is here rendering using software-based anti-aliasing and a proportionally-spaced font). The audio addresses someone named "Mr. Gorsky," a reference to an old off-color joke.
About a month later, the web site whose URL appears in the video came clean and announced that they had made it themselves. They named the people involved, the studio where it was filmed, and described how they had achieved the effects, in part by using a period Ikegami television camera.
That site is unfortunately now gone, and the video's director has passed away. The video is still passed around in conspiracy circles. At the time we first saw the video, we were naturally concerned that careless people would assume it was real, despite the blatant disclaimer.
Ted Twietmeyer's new uncertainty over the authenticity of his evidence is unimpressive. He is responsible for knowing where his evidence comes from.
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 30, 2007 11:14:08 GMT -4
What was it a TV commercial for?
To my knowledge it was never broadcast on television. It was an internet viral marketing campaign -- a video passed from person to person.
Ted T. objects to the notion that it is a "commercial" because it does not fit standard American spot lengths.
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Post by frenat on Dec 30, 2007 12:02:25 GMT -4
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Post by laurel on Dec 30, 2007 15:27:13 GMT -4
I vaguely recall seeing a video somewhere in which they keep having to film another take because "Armstrong" keeps falling off the ladder. I'm not sure of the source, though. "Dark Side of the Moon" maybe?
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 30, 2007 16:48:31 GMT -4
I'm having an e-mail conversation now with Ted. He's as woo-woo as they come, playing the "discrediting" card right away. Despite the admitted and documented source of the video, Ted is still trying to handwave at internal evidence linking it to the actual Apollo 11 downlink.
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 30, 2007 19:30:33 GMT -4
And now he's frantically switching from topic to topic, refusing to address evidence contrary to his claims. I initially spoke only about the video, giving him the links to the archived disclaimer page and urging him to contact The Viral Factory to confirm that they were the producers of the video. He then launched into the "stringer" case, emphasizing that LM-2 shows no feature. When I pointed out that LM-2 and LM-5 differed significantly in design and that the"stringer" had been conclusively and unmysteriously identified, he changed the subject yet again.
Apparently he was interviewed on some tabloid podcast recently about claims of a communication blackout shortly after Apollo 11's landing, which is now what he wants to talk about. I've asked him for closure on the other two issues, but am met only with silence. I wonder if a Clavius article is in order.
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Post by Joe Durnavich on Dec 30, 2007 19:43:33 GMT -4
I vaguely recall seeing a video somewhere in which they keep having to film another take because "Armstrong" keeps falling off the ladder. I'm not sure of the source, though. "Dark Side of the Moon" maybe?
That is from the IMAX movie Magnificent Desolation by Tom Hanks.
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Post by laurel on Dec 30, 2007 19:56:49 GMT -4
Thanks. I didn't see that movie, but I love the title. Such an eloquent description from Buzz Aldrin.
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Post by echnaton on Dec 30, 2007 20:00:28 GMT -4
Well at least there is a new HB around with some not so worn out topics.
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 30, 2007 20:10:28 GMT -4
While his individual arguments are original, his approach is not. As soon as you bring up a fact that doesn't fit his idea, he backpedals, switches topics, and accuses you of ideological motivation. Hardly new.
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