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Post by Ginnie on Jan 22, 2008 16:49:23 GMT -4
Change the chorus to "We all live for another moon landing," and I think you've got it. You're quite right. Done.
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Post by Bluff on Mar 6, 2008 23:27:35 GMT -4
I got this from www.nostradamususa.com/html/quatrain_9_-_85.html"He (referring to mankind and the American Astronauts) will come to travel to the corner of Luna (the Moon) where he will be captured (on film) and put into a strange land (outer space and/or the Moon).The unripe fruits (assets which take time to develop before reaching maturity, a reference to the space race) to be subjects of great scandal (a reference to the Apollo One tragedy, the Challenger disaster, and other space related accidents). Great blame (to unnamed parties) to one, great praise (a reference to the United States of America). This quatrain is a remarkable example of Nostradamus' uncanny ability to accurately forecast an amazing event which occurred in July of 1969." It is fascinating that Nostradamus used the phrase "the Eagle" as an allusion to the U.S.A. in several quatrains, and by coincidence, the American lunar landing craft happened to be named "the Eagle" Copernicus was the original mapper of the Moon, thus the twisted phase "the corner of Luna" may be a reference (or salute) to Copernicus. It just so happens that the lunar landing craft landed near a rather large moon crater named "Copernicus"! Its is interesting to note that in light of the Columbia shuttle crash of 2003, this quatrain which references space tragedies continues to repeat itself through out time.
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Post by JayUtah on Mar 7, 2008 2:20:28 GMT -4
This quatrain is a remarkable example of Nostradamus' uncanny ability to accurately forecast an amazing event which occurred in July of 1969.
Provided that you believe the stuff in the parentheses was what Nostradamus intended, instead of having been inserted there by an editor/commentator writing after the fact. The "uncanny accuracy" isn't in the original, but in the post hoc facto commentary.
When Nostradamus actually pre-dicts something instead of having events pasted onto his writings after the fact, then I'll be interested.
Its is interesting to note that in light of the Columbia shuttle crash of 2003, this quatrain which references space tragedies continues to repeat itself through out time.
Or it might just be due to the fact that manned space travel is inherently dangerous.
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Post by echnaton on Mar 7, 2008 10:29:05 GMT -4
Nostradamus didn't make predictions, he made prophesies. The difference?
With a prediction the result that matches the prediction can be determined before the event occurs. With a prophesy the result must be interpreted after the event to fit the prophesy. So the accuracy of a prediction has an objective component while the accuracy of a prophesy is entirely a mater of personal belief.
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Post by Jason on Mar 7, 2008 11:51:54 GMT -4
Hey look - Nostradamus is prophecying about the 2008 US Presedential election:
"He (referring to Barack Obama) will come to travel to the corner of Luna (referring to the remote areas of America like Hawaii where he's winning elections) where he will be captured (voted for) and put into a strange land (Washington DC).The unripe fruits (Obama again, referring to his youth) to be subjects of great scandal (these great scandals are coming up - just watch). Great blame (to Obama again) to one, great praise (to the discoverer of the scandal)."
Or maybe he is talking about Osama Bin Laden: "He (referring to OBL) will come to travel to the corner of Luna (signifying a very remote area of the world - Afghanistan) where he will be captured (by the US) and put into a strange land (Guantanamo).The unripe fruits (Osama's undeveloped plans) to be subjects of great scandal (because of how close they were to fruition). Great blame (by Islamists to America) to one, great praise (the U.S. for capturing him).
See - that quatrain can fit just about anything.
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Post by Ginnie on Mar 7, 2008 14:17:46 GMT -4
i hate to admit it Jason, but you're uncanny ability to inerpret and predict once again shines. Good work. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Ginnie on Mar 7, 2008 14:48:09 GMT -4
I got this from www.nostradamususa.com/html/quatrain_9_-_85.html"He (referring to mankind and the American Astronauts) will come to travel to the corner of Luna (the Moon) where he will be captured (on film) and put into a strange land (outer space and/or the Moon).The unripe fruits (assets which take time to develop before reaching maturity, a reference to the space race) to be subjects of great scandal (a reference to the Apollo One tragedy, the Challenger disaster, and other space related accidents). Great blame (to unnamed parties) to one, great praise (a reference to the United States of America). This quatrain is a remarkable example of Nostradamus' uncanny ability to accurately forecast an amazing event which occurred in July of 1969." It is fascinating that Nostradamus used the phrase "the Eagle" as an allusion to the U.S.A. in several quatrains, and by coincidence, the American lunar landing craft happened to be named "the Eagle" Copernicus was the original mapper of the Moon, thus the twisted phase "the corner of Luna" may be a reference (or salute) to Copernicus. It just so happens that the lunar landing craft landed near a rather large moon crater named "Copernicus"! Its is interesting to note that in light of the Columbia shuttle crash of 2003, this quatrain which references space tragedies continues to repeat itself through out time. He will come to travel to the corner of Luna, where he will be captured and put in a strange land, The unripe fruits to be subject of great scandal, great blame, to one, great praise.Sounds like to me it's about some famous person who ends up in an insane asylum. Like maybe a member of royalty. BTW: Shouldn't it be 9-65, NOT 9-85 ? Another translation: He will come to go into the patch of moonlight, Where he will be captured and put in a strange land: The unripe fruits will be the subject of great scandal, Great blame, to one great praise. Another explanation on a website: www.michelnostradamus.org/quatrainsfuture.htmlThe abduction from a politically meaningful family; by the father or the guardian, of minor children, to Luna in Tuscany, or to Luna located in Spain, North of Saragossa. These are discovered by some indications from one of children. Event to come.
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Post by Ginnie on Mar 7, 2008 15:29:15 GMT -4
It just so happens that the lunar landing craft landed near a rather large moon crater named "Copernicus"!The Eagle landed nowhere Copernicus. about 1800 km away in fact. Even Apollo 12 and 14 landing sites are about 800 km from Copernicus.
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Post by turbonium on Mar 20, 2008 2:41:25 GMT -4
Uh, oh - I'm back!!
The only 'prediction' of his I find kind of interesting was about a "half-pig man"...
At night they will think they have seen the Sun, When they see the half-pig man. Noise, screams battles seen fought in the skies. The brute beasts will be heard to speak. (Translation of Century I, Quatrain 64)
Airplane battles, pilots wearing oxygen masks, communicating with each other?
Did he just get lucky it all fits with the description of a dogfight?
Sure...but I still think it's interesting.
I'll be back to the forum, when time permits.
Must be boring for you guys here, without someone to fight and debate issues with!!
Unless others have taken my place?!?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 20, 2008 11:02:36 GMT -4
Good... Jason's income took a hit after Atlair4 left, so it's good to have another generous user of the ! in the forum. Didn't Kramer run into him in an episode of Seinfeld? Are you looking for a quieter forum after your most recent humiliation at the UM forum?
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Post by Jason on Mar 20, 2008 11:15:44 GMT -4
"Half-pig man" is a description of fighter pilots? I don't know about you, but I would call a guy wearing an oxygen hose an "elephant man", not a half-pig man. Maybe his prophetic vision saw the Lord of the Rings movies. The orcs in that are kind of half-pig men (in fact pig cries were used for a lot of their sound effects).
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Post by Ginnie on Mar 20, 2008 14:12:49 GMT -4
Must be boring for you guys here, without someone to fight and debate issues with!!
Unless others have taken my place?!?
All the others done got themselves banned. BTW We don't fight here, just debate - witness Jason and Wdmundts latest chat. ;D
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Post by Jason on Mar 20, 2008 15:28:45 GMT -4
I don't know if what wdmundt and I do could be described as a fight. I for one am thoroughly entertained by the chance to exercise my rhetorical muscles with someone who can spell.
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Post by turbonium on Mar 21, 2008 3:35:21 GMT -4
Good... Jason's income took a hit after Atlair4 left, so it's good to have another generous user of the ! in the forum. I have no idea what you're referring to here. I've been away from this forum for several months, as you know. Or if you prefer..... I have no idea what you're referring to here!! I've been away from this forum for several months, as you know!!! Didn't Kramer run into him in an episode of Seinfeld? Sorry, I can't help you out on that. Much as I'd like to spend my days in front of a TV, watching reruns of Seinfeld, I have to go out and work.. Are you looking for a quieter forum... Indeed, one would be hard-pressed to find any other forum with less activity than this one. s3.images.proboards.com/grin.gif [/img] But no, the actual reason is that I have the time for it right now, which I haven't had over the past few months. ...after your most recent humiliation at the UM forum? No, I only feel sad for them. Btw, since you have so much free time on your hands, why don't you join in the UM discussions, instead of lurking? Or have you?
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Post by turbonium on Mar 21, 2008 4:47:30 GMT -4
"Half-pig man" is a description of fighter pilots? I don't know about you, but I would call a guy wearing an oxygen hose an "elephant man", not a half-pig man. Maybe his prophetic vision saw the Lord of the Rings movies. The orcs in that are kind of half-pig men (in fact pig cries were used for a lot of their sound effects). That's true - if you're looking at a pilot standing outside the plane, and can see the entire mask. But consider how it looks when a pilot is in the cockpit.... The hose is largely hidden from view outside the plane. But the mask itself is very prominent. And that's how it would look to someone describing the scenario..."battles seen fought in the skies", etc. How would a person living in the 16th century (like Nostradamus) describe what he sees in this scenario: pilots, wearing oxygen masks, and communicating with each other, in night-time aerial battle? At night they will think they have seen the Sun, When they see the half-pig man. Noise, screams battles seen fought in the skies. The brute beasts will be heard to speak.Planes on fire, or blown up by anti-aircraft missiles, would light up the night-time sky, almost as if the "Sun" had appeared. "Noise, screams, battles seen fought in the skies." People must have thought Nosty was seriously wacko to describe aerial battles back in the 1500's!
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