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Post by turbonium on Apr 3, 2008 3:21:24 GMT -4
I never brought it up to begin with! They were responses to direct quotes from you. Are you denying that you said the things people have been rebutting here? Do you no longer believe they are valid objections? I never brought it up on this forum. Dredging up something I had discussed on another forum ages ago, within 3 days of my return to this forum, is utterly ridiculous.
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Post by turbonium on Apr 3, 2008 3:24:39 GMT -4
welcome bach, turbo. where were you? Thanks, lionking. I've posted on UM here and there, in the little free time I've had over the past few months.
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Post by turbonium on Apr 3, 2008 3:27:06 GMT -4
Enough with the personal conflicts that have spread here from another forum. They are nothing but a diversion... let's discuss the hoax theory. I agree. It should have never come up in the first place.
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Post by PeterB on Apr 3, 2008 3:44:32 GMT -4
So, Turbonium, do you understand the effect that NASA's smaller budget is having on the amount of time it'll take NASA to return to the Moon?
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Post by Cavorite on Apr 3, 2008 3:58:05 GMT -4
I never brought it up on this forum. Dredging up something I had discussed on another forum ages ago, within 3 days of my return to this forum, is utterly ridiculous. It was at least germane, unlike the issue you have focused on so far. Are you saying that you no longer believe those statements you made to be true? What about addressing the one actual point you have made since your return, namely the movement of the astronauts? There were several responses, none of which you have even acknowledged. Or alternatively, how about returning to the issue you promised you were researching the last time you were here, namely radiation? Do you want us to bump the relevant thread where you promised a reply?
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Post by Czero 101 on Apr 3, 2008 9:37:49 GMT -4
Or did you just ignore it? I'm waiting for your answer.... Nope, didn't ignore it... I read it... considered it, then disregarded it as more of you usual hand-waving diversionary tripe. There... asked and answered. Now can you proceed to answer the questions posed of you by the others in this thread? You've really got some gall Right... unlike you who has been so forthcoming in answering all the other questions that have been asked of you here in this thread... trying to tell me what my "intentions" are, bud!! You are making your intentions here perfectly clear, bud: all you seem intent upon doing is to post your unsupported, uneducated "opinions" , claim them as fact and proof of a hoax, then ignore all questions posed to you asking to explain yourself or provide any supporting proof. You falsely accuse me of lying, Nope, again... I just pointed what you've already admitted to. I could go on, but I'll wait for your reply about the analogy first. You speak of me having "gall" yet here you sit demanding answers from me while at the same time ignoring the direct (and thread-relevant) questions asked of you since you've come back... And just who is displaying their true intentions now...? Cz
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Post by JayUtah on Apr 3, 2008 9:38:19 GMT -4
Then we'll see who really has another agenda here.
You've been given several opportunities to discuss topics in this thread other than your alleged mistreatment elsewhere, including topics you yourself have lately raised and asked to be answered. You have ignored all of them in favor of continuing your petulant rant. I have to ask therefore what your agenda is?
Will you please address my comments relevant to the Apollo hoax theory?
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Post by turbonium on Apr 11, 2008 3:06:54 GMT -4
Or did you just ignore it? I'm waiting for your answer.... Nope, didn't ignore it... I read it... considered it, then disregarded it as more of you usual hand-waving diversionary tripe. There... asked and answered. Now can you proceed to answer the questions posed of you by the others in this thread? No. I asked you... Was the guest "lying"? Did he "admit to lying"?
I'm waiting for your answer....The analogy reflects my situation, and I'd like you to answer these questions. Instead of making up excuses to avoid them. You brought it up, so let's settle this issue and I'll be glad to move along to other matters.
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Post by Czero 101 on Apr 11, 2008 3:47:28 GMT -4
Nope, didn't ignore it... I read it... considered it, then disregarded it as more of you usual hand-waving diversionary tripe. There... asked and answered. Now can you proceed to answer the questions posed of you by the others in this thread? No. I asked you... Was the guest "lying"? Did he "admit to lying"?
I'm waiting for your answer....The analogy reflects my situation, and I'd like you to answer these questions. Instead of making up excuses to avoid them. You brought it up, so let's settle this issue and I'll be glad to move along to other matters. Tell ya what, hypocrite... why don't you answer the other questions - some which have been waiting since you were year last year sometime - then after you do that, you can come back and ask me to answer yours again... ... or is there some reason you are DELIBERATELY avoiding answering the other people's questions? Reasons like you HAVE NO answers because you have NOTHING to back up your opinions with? Maybe that's why you're trying to distract the attention away from the fact that you haven't answered anyone's questions, yet have the gall to demand answers from me... I'll say it again ... you're a hypocrite. Cz
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Post by Cavorite on Apr 11, 2008 7:12:43 GMT -4
This is starting to get a bit heated, and is still not relevant to anything Apollo related.
Turbonium, you have asked one actual question about Apollo since your return here. Several thoughtful responses have been made to that question by people who have not accused you of anything. Could you please help matters by moving on? Most of us have been ignoring the offsite blame issue and have been repeatedly requesting that you get down to business.
Czero - if turbonium continues to feel antagonised then this is not likely to go anywhere. If the tone of your posts continues to be that aggressive then we may well never be able to go any further.
How about both of you agreeing that further discussion of the issue be taken back to UM and everybody starts here with a clean slate on the actual issues that matter? I doubt that LunarOrbit's patience will last much longer otherwise.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Apr 11, 2008 7:51:39 GMT -4
Thank you, Cavorite. I couldn't have said it better than that.
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Post by turbonium on Apr 12, 2008 7:28:34 GMT -4
This is starting to get a bit heated, and is still not relevant to anything Apollo related. Turbonium, you have asked one actual question about Apollo since your return here. Several thoughtful responses have been made to that question by people who have not accused you of anything. Could you please help matters by moving on? Most of us have been ignoring the offsite blame issue and have been repeatedly requesting that you get down to business. Czero - if turbonium continues to feel antagonised then this is not likely to go anywhere. If the tone of your posts continues to be that aggressive then we may well never be able to go any further. How about both of you agreeing that further discussion of the issue be taken back to UM and everybody starts here with a clean slate on the actual issues that matter? I doubt that LunarOrbit's patience will last much longer otherwise. First, I'd like to apologize to those of you here who have not been involved in this side-issue, and have been patiently waiting for their Apollo-related questions to be answered. It was never my intention to avoid or ignore your questions when I came back here. However, I felt it was most important to first address and resolve a long-dead accusation, which had suddenly reappeared out of nowhere. Why? Because, like most people, I don't appreciate being falsely accused of lying. If I didn't defend myself against the accusation, then I would be allowing my integrity and character to be questioned on all matters I subsequently discussed. With my analogy, I've made my point abundantly clear to Czero that I did not lie. I suspect that his anger comes from finally realizes that I am indeed telling him the truth. I hope he can come to terms with it and move on. As for me, I am going to move along - to the questions I've been asked about Apollo issues. It will take some time to get around to all of you - I'm answering to an entire forum by myself. I'd appreciate it if you keep patient (and to a few of you - please avoid the snarky comments about how I'm ignoring you deliberately - I'm most certainly not). I'll also need to review a few questions some of you asked me so long ago, before I can jump back in. Those will be answered first, before they vanish into the archives for eternity!!
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Post by Retrograde on Apr 12, 2008 10:09:44 GMT -4
Well, that's got to be the worst thing I've ever heard in my life. Never in the history of the world has there been so grave an injustice as Turbonium being falsely accused of lying (if that is what happened). It doesn't deserve that. To be falsely accused of murder, genocide, and every form of corruption and other malfeasance, that it deserves, particularly if it were convicted and executed. Can you imagine a more beautiful form of poetic justice? But to be falsely accused of lying, it just seems so feeble - rather like falsely accusing Adolf Hitler of stiffing a waiter.
Not that anyone here cares what I think, but if any of you are actually thinking of apologizing to it, then I just don't know what to say. Are you so easily manipulated in other aspects of your life as well?
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Post by gillianren on Apr 12, 2008 10:46:22 GMT -4
I tried to avoid the silly conversation in the first place. What do you do when other people won't?
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Post by JayUtah on Apr 12, 2008 11:57:11 GMT -4
First, I'd like to apologize to those of you here who have not been involved in this side-issue...
Thanks; it hasn't bothered me until you said something I took to mean you were tarring us all with the same ad hominem brush.
Because, like most people, I don't appreciate being falsely accused of lying.
I take it, then, that with this newly found sympathy you'll be much more careful to ensure that those whom you accuse of lying are being accused according to proper evidence, and not falsely. Otherwise I'm sure that an otherwise productive discussion would degenerate into charges and countercharges of hypocrisy.
I'll also need to review a few questions some of you asked me so long ago, before I can jump back in.
Take your time. I'm in no hurry.
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