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Hijack
Mar 22, 2006 21:24:45 GMT -4
Post by 3onthetree on Mar 22, 2006 21:24:45 GMT -4
Just a question about threads being locked. Vonster in the Apollo hoax section started an innocent thread about hero's then it was taken over by Holocaust denial crap and locked. I understand why it was locked but would it not be better to ask the person who posted the offensive rubbish to delete it ? I'm miffed coz i was too slow in posting my response
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Hijack
Mar 22, 2006 22:09:16 GMT -4
Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 22, 2006 22:09:16 GMT -4
I unlocked that thread because, as you said, it started out as an innocent thread and was taken off course by LOTR. I reconsidered and now I am willing to let it continue on as the original poster intended.
I do not like deleting posts because people need to know what was said if I'm going to disallow it in the future.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 5:08:15 GMT -4
Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 5:08:15 GMT -4
I am sorry to hijack. I asked voster if he wants me to continue about the holocaust so I don't hijack that the thread, but the reply of Al Johnston triggered me to answer more. I wanted to prove to voster that there are many things he think it is stupid to deny, but when he researches better he could change his mind. And Mushroom, again, not everyone who disagrees with you and your beliefs about the holocaust is saying rubbish. The book I read has researched the issue better than you and finds many holes in the story. I can open another thread as Peter suggested, but seems that LO doesn't welcome this topic, although there are many interesting evidence that contradicts the numbers given of jews killed. I still don't get it why LO doesn't welcome evidence discussion of the holocaust on this forum
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 7:22:42 GMT -4
Post by 3onthetree on Mar 23, 2006 7:22:42 GMT -4
To have doubts about aspects of Nasa's manned space program and to raise points in a manner which is least offensive is one thing. How on earth you can possibly discuss numbers of people murdered in the holocaust without offense to others seems impossible to me.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 7:32:26 GMT -4
Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 7:32:26 GMT -4
When you learn democracy, it will not seem impossible to you. Ppl have the right to express evidences and doubts. I said I am not saying the holocaust didn't happen, just the numbers are exaggerated, and many testimonies forced. I reassure my sympathy with those who really died.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 8:01:09 GMT -4
Post by 3onthetree on Mar 23, 2006 8:01:09 GMT -4
Democracy is merely the best of the worst systems of government and I understand the point you were making. Just the subject matter was off.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 8:48:13 GMT -4
Post by gwiz on Mar 23, 2006 8:48:13 GMT -4
The six million figure comes from demographic studies. However the Nazis did it, there were that many Jews less after the holocaust than there were before.
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lenbrazil
Saturn
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 11:12:16 GMT -4
Post by lenbrazil on Mar 23, 2006 11:12:16 GMT -4
Every trained historian who has examined the question has concluded that between 5 and 6 million Jews and 4 to 6 million non-Jews were murdered in the Nazi camps. All the rubbish that was brought up in LOTR's book has been repeatedly debunked. Holocaust denial is simply an idea promoted by bigots to justify their bigoted beliefs. It's hardly a coinicidence that the vast majority of Holocaust deniers are neo-Nazis. The idea that the USSR and the US would cooperate on a hoax during the height of the cold war is purposterous. The evidence for the Holocaust is overwhelming, it is one of the most studied events in history. If it never happened it's odd that none Nazi war criminals who came to trial ever said so.
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Bob B.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 11:41:51 GMT -4
Post by Bob B. on Mar 23, 2006 11:41:51 GMT -4
If it never happened it's odd that none Nazi war criminals who came to trial ever said so. I wasn't going to get involved in this this discussion but I'm glad you brought this point up. The standard Nazi defense was "I was just following orders" or something similar, but none of those on trial ever denied it happened.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 12:23:10 GMT -4
Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 23, 2006 12:23:10 GMT -4
Whether it was 5 or 5 million Jews killed, it's too many. LOTR seems to be saying that the number was smaller so that means it was ok. It was not ok, no matter how exaggerated the number... it was the act of evil people and I will not allow you, LOTR, to defend Nazi's in this forum.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 13:59:38 GMT -4
Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 13:59:38 GMT -4
LO You're very funny when you play the role of the hero. I am not saying it is O.K to kill ppl, no matter how much the number is. What is not O.K is to exaggerate numbers and lie to people. Why is this so difficult to get?
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Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 14:41:54 GMT -4
Post by Al Johnston on Mar 23, 2006 14:41:54 GMT -4
It takes more than one book to show that there was any such exaggeration. Why is that so hard to get?
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 14:44:32 GMT -4
Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 14:44:32 GMT -4
It takes more than one book to show that there was any such exaggeration. Why is that so hard to get? Any suggestions? ;D
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Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 15:01:44 GMT -4
Post by Al Johnston on Mar 23, 2006 15:01:44 GMT -4
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Hijack
Mar 23, 2006 16:17:51 GMT -4
Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 16:17:51 GMT -4
I'll try to locate them in the University Library. If I read them, maybe I can drop by and tell you about them. thnx anyway.
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