Answers to David's 9/11 question...

[Bob B.]

In this thread David asked the following question:

david said:

In the meantime I want to see how objective you are. Would you mind analyzing this picture for me?
www.hongpong.com/lib/images/plane77_contrast_adj.jpg

Thanks

Since the question was off topic for the thread in which it was asked, I've reposted it here for comments.

[gwiz]

Objective:
I can't really see anything that I can identify in the picture, it's all too blurry. Perhaps it would give more information if compared with the previous and subsequent frames - a couple of blink comparisons might do the trick. That might show what changes within the picture and whether the changes are consistent with a 757.

Subjective:

If you think this picture is blurry you have shown yourself to be totally unobjective.

[Bob B.]

Since David does not identify what this is a picture of I can only guess. I’m assuming it is a video frame from outside the Pentagon prior to the terrorist attack of 11-Sept-2001. (I have honestly paid little attention to the 9/11 conspiracy theories.) The image quality is so low that I can tell very little from it. I’ll make my best interpretation, but with such a poor image my level of confidence in correctly identify anything is quite low. Since David does not specify exactly what it is he wants us to analyze, I’ll give my overall impressions.

The large object on the left of the picture appears to be a building, presumably the Pentagon. There is a linear object in the foreground that appears to be a walkway or low wall. In the background there appears to be distance buildings or perhaps a tree line. I don’t know what the bright object is toward the bottom-center. The objects at the top of the image are probably clouds.

I suppose the big question is what is the highlighted object to the right of the image? I assume this is supposed to be the airplane coming into view that struck the Pentagon. If I did not have that thought predisposed in my head, I’d say we are simple seeing some sort of structure in the background. I certainly would not have guessed it to be an airplane. Even knowing what I do, I cannot tell with any certainty what the object is – the image quality is just too low.

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[scooter]

I'm really hoping David will post an annotated picture, marking things like tail, wings, engines, nose radome...I just see a blob, and finding a "pointed nose" is beyond me. If David sees this as a clear picture of what hit the Pentagon, I would hope that such a clarification is forthcoming.

[gwiz]

scooter said:

I'm really hoping David will post an annotated picture...

Only if he can find someone else's to link to.

[Grand Lunar]

In examining the image...

I'm surprised how low res the image is. If I did not know that was a from from the security cam of the Pentagon's entrance (I've seen this particular footage before), I'd have thought it to be a group of condos.

The highlighted object is less distinct.
I see a white blob that does not bear any resemblence to any aircraft I've see, either in person or in pictures. Closest things it reminds me of is either the Concorde or the space shuttle.
I can faintly make out a colored object that, to my color blind eyes, appears sort of dark blue. It appears long and slender. It is too indistinct to positively identify.

However, with knowledge of debris found at the Pentagon, it is reasonable to assume that the object is indeed a 757.

It just goes to show that one must look at all aspects when coming to a descision, not just one detail.

[echnaton]

The blur in question doesn't really like like anything positively identifiable from the picture alone. My initial thoughts on it was that depending on the angle the plane was taking in relationship to the camera, the right wing could have come into view before the nose of the plane and the wing tip is what we are seeing in that frame.

Unlike David's assertions, this hypothesis at least has the ability to be ruled out through a check of the geometry of a 757 and the established flight path. Although even if not ruled out such an analysis may not confirm it. Nevertheless is is a plausible counter hypothesis that should be checked before declaring a definitive identification from the frame alone.

[Bob B.]

I just realized I started this thread in the wrong forum, I thought I was in "Other Conspiracy Theories" (I must have accidentally clicked on the wrong link). This is kind of embarrassing after having gotten on David's case for trying to discuss 9/11 in the wrong place.

[Al Johnston]

Lunar Orbit can move it if he wants ;D

[james]

I tend to stay out of 9/11 discussions as well, but I take a peak at what goes on in them from time to time. Anyway, here are some of the vids from the security cameras if any of you want more than just a fuzzy still frame. Although since these vids run at 1fps and are on youtube (they compress vids horribly), it's not much of a help.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfVxR1vXxKE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO8

[LunarOrbit]

If all I had to go on was that still image from the security camera I would say it's impossible to tell what the object is. But since we also have eye-witness testimony and debris from a 757 I see no reason to doubt that the object is a 757.

[Grand Lunar]

admin said:

If all I had to go on was that still image from the security camera I would say it's impossible to tell what the object is. But since we also have eye-witness testimony and debris from a 757 I see no reason to doubt that the object is a 757.

The same thing was mentioned to David in a similar thread at BAUT.
His response; the debris could've been planted after the explosion, and the witnesses could've all been plants to say they saw a 757.

These idea scream for Occam's Razor, don't you agree?

[rocky]

Hi. It's me, david.

I've been having trouble staying logged in because of the problem described here.
apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=support&action=display&thread=1169390602
I opened a new acount and that seemed to solve the problem. I can stay logged in every section but this one with my other account.
apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories
With this new account I can go to this section and stay logged in. The technical problem was only with my other account--very strange. I wasn't posting as often as I'd wanted to. From now on if I can't stay logged in with my "david" account, I'll use my "Rocky" account. If that starts to act the same way, I guess I'll have to open a third account.
I hope the technical department can solve the problem. The problem doesn't seem to be with the internet cafe as the problem only exists with my "david" account.

Anyway--thanks for opening this thread. I wanted to continue talking about this subject.
I want to here your analyses of these two articles too.
www.theunjustmedia.com/major_general_smedley_butler.htm
www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=2567

Since David does not identify what this is a picture of I can only guess. I’m

It's the nose of a plane that's too pointed to be a 757.

[LunarOrbit]

If you are going to use this new account I will disable your old one. Having multiple user accounts is not permitted.

[scooter]

rocky said:

Anyway--thanks for opening this thread. I wanted to continue talking about this subject.
I want to here your analyses of these two articles too.
www.theunjustmedia.com/major_general_smedley_butler.htm
www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=2567

Since David does not identify what this is a picture of I can only guess. I’m

It's the nose of a plane that's too pointed to be a 757.

Whoops too quick there...
The articles clearly demonstrate that, in a democracy, you can indeed speak your mind and voice your opinion on significant matters...no hit squads, no MIBs, no evil gubmint conspiracy trying to hush these opinionated men up.
Can you please post the pictire and show us the pointy nose? Or is it the picture outlined long ago where the control mechanism box is chopping off the bottom of the treeline in the background? If so it's not the "nose" of anything, just trees...