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Post by Ginnie on May 24, 2008 15:54:11 GMT -4
I have heard of Space Wars, even played it on a Java version. It was one, if not the oldest computer game, older even then Pong. Quite challenging. This is a Java version of Spacewar!, the oldest computer game - 1961. spacewar.oversigma.com/****Spill the Wine by Eric Burdon and War*** NOW PLAYING
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Jason
Pluto
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Post by Jason on May 24, 2008 16:25:34 GMT -4
Wow, it's tough to just not get caught by the blackhole in the center.
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Post by Ginnie on May 24, 2008 16:51:31 GMT -4
I know, I keep crashing.
Hey, anyone ever use Celestia?
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Post by turbonium on Jun 5, 2008 22:57:39 GMT -4
Two questions for you. 1) Are you aware of the CSM's orientation during the Translunar Flight when not doing burns? 2) Are you aware of which window the filming was done through? Here's a clue for you on 2 I watched the video of the "Earth" being filmed through that window. It's simply amazing - the "Earth" somehow floats right out of view!.... I can't wait to read your 'explanations' for this one....
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 5, 2008 23:04:36 GMT -4
Umm... how about this: the astronaut moved a little bit to one side and that caused his view of the Earth to be obstructed. But no, you're right... "the whole entire moon program was a hoax" is a much more reasonable explanation.
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Post by Czero 101 on Jun 5, 2008 23:54:50 GMT -4
Just throwing this out there...
Couldn't the fact that the CSM/LM Stack was performing PTC maneuvers during this stage of the mission also explain why the Earth appears to move out of the window?
IIRC, PTC was performed at all free attitude stages of the flight plan after TLI / T&D unless a mid-course correction maneuver was happening.
Cz
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 6, 2008 0:11:51 GMT -4
Couldn't the fact that the CSM/LM Stack was performing PTC maneuvers during this stage of the mission also explain why the Earth appears to move out of the window? Yeah, I thought of that too and almost mentioned it but it looked to me like right before the Earth is obscured the camera moves. It could be either (or a combination of both) of those explanations, or something totally different. But the point is that is took us little time to think of two logical explanations for Turbonium's "mystery".
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Post by Czero 101 on Jun 6, 2008 0:25:30 GMT -4
It could be either (or a combination of both) of those explanations, or something totally different. But the point is that is took us little time to think of two logical explanations for Turbonium's "mystery". I noticed that too, although it is a bit hard to notice with all the "Agif UNREGISTERED" nags popping up all over the place. But yes, the camera does definitely move or "jerk" to one side a bit, changing its perspective on the window, which would also change what was seen by the camera through the window. And PTC at 18 deg./minute would also explain why the Earth was moving out of the window frame before the camera shifted position. Cz
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Post by Data Cable on Jun 6, 2008 0:38:53 GMT -4
Is Turb ever going to address the issues raised on page 1 of this thread, during his previous round of seagulling?
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Post by Czero 101 on Jun 6, 2008 0:43:20 GMT -4
If history is any guide, then no, he wont... he'll either post more ridiculous "theories" or completely ignore everything that has been posted in response to his posts... or both...
Cz
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Post by turbonium on Jun 6, 2008 1:54:50 GMT -4
Those aren't logical explanations. It's certainly not due to camera movement... There is no change in camera position which could have obscured the view of "Earth". The window edge gives us a frame of reference to verify the consistent camera angle. PTC maneuvers? That makes no sense. Isn't it 'logical' that they would have informed/discussed it with Houston at the time? But they don't mention it. The PTC maneuvers were also recorded in the Mission Report. But there is no record of PTC maneuvers going on at this time, either. Any other suggestions?
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Post by Data Cable on Jun 6, 2008 1:58:00 GMT -4
Turb, please explain to us what a "PTC maneuver" is, and when it is performed. Edit to add: Here is a quicktime clip (2.65mb) I just shot of a street light outside my kitchen window. The edge of the window remains much more constant in the frame than the CM window edge above, which according to you means a constant camera angle. Yet the street light disappears behind it. The light didn't move. My house didn't move. Explain how I did this.
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Post by turbonium on Jun 6, 2008 2:23:34 GMT -4
PTC is done to prevent overheating of capsule controls, etc.
When? The times for PTC initiation and termination are recorded in the Mission Report, as I've already mentioned.
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Post by Cavorite on Jun 6, 2008 2:36:45 GMT -4
IIRC, PTC was performed at all free attitude stages of the flight plan after TLI / T&D unless a mid-course correction maneuver was happening. I think they also stopped PTC during the TV broadcasts so they could aim the high gain antenna, so that wouldn't be a factor for the footage in question.
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Post by turbonium on Jun 6, 2008 2:51:49 GMT -4
You moved, obviously.
In your clip, we can see the window edge angle and background are both changing in perspective. Slow movement, making the streetlight (likewise) slowly 'disappear' from our view.
But that is not what happens with the "Earth" footage.
Watch a clear version of it. The "Earth" quickly starts to move out of view while the camera remains steady. Only after that, we can see a bit of 'shaky' camera movement occur.
The camera is not being moved around at high speed when the "Earth" is zipping out of view.
Try to get the same effect on video with your streetlight....
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