What will happen when

[smlbstcbr]

What will happen when the LRO gets to the moon?
What I mean, what absurd reasoning will the conspiracists tell when the photographs of the LRO of the landing sites will come to earth showing all the things that Apollo left there?

[BertL]

1) The whole LRO thing is a government conspiracy, and is faked as well.
2) Just the photographs of the Apollo sites are faked.
3) Deep space ventures are impossible to do and therefore faked. (This one is already there.)
4) Somewhere in between 1972 and now, robot landers had already been sent to the Moon to put the Apollo stuff on the Moon.

Either way, the conspiracy gets bigger.

[smlbstcbr]

I know. It's really annoying to have such individuals around. The matter is: Even if the russians put them in a rocket and land them in the moon, they will still believe everything is a mock up. I suppose that's a problem inside their minds (lunatics, perhaps...)

[Obviousman]

I still remember the reaction from Jack White when I asked him what evidence would prove to him that the landings were real. He said something to the effect of:

"I would accept any genuine evidence, but since I know the landings were faked, there can be no evidence so any evidence that said the landings were true must be itself faked"

The Jack White 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card.

[dwight]

The interesting thing is that HBs tend to see themselves as a large group of individuals representing the masses. In reality the only people I have ever met outside of one person has who say the landings were faked do so primarily to as a tease.

The general cross section I have encountered in the numerous locations I have had the honour to work agree the Apollo missions happened exactly as history records. In fact I usually have people asking me for reference clips/information as they are interested in the technology used. (In my case the TV cameras and USB specs are the most asked topic, but that is because I work in TV and my colleagues are naturally curious about that branch).

[Grand Lunar]

"I would accept any genuine evidence, but since I know the landings were faked, there can be no evidence so any evidence that said the landings were true must be itself faked"

Seems Jack White made his own circular arguement there.

I suppose if he himself was taken to the moon, then I wonder what his excuse would be.

[Grand Lunar]

3) Deep space ventures are impossible to do and therefore faked. (This one is already there.)

To clarify, the HBs apply this thinking to manned missions.

Of course, for this statement to be true, they must provide proof.
In which case, they either cherry pick figures, misquote, take quotes out of context, or just make up anything that suites their views.

I recall asking one HB why the "no stars" arguement only applies to Apollo and why no stars are visible in images taken by unmanned probes.
His excuse was that the stars are all edited out of the photos.

Yet another "Get out of jail free" card.

[gillianren]

I have met precisely two HBs in my life, at least that I know of. One was angry that he had to pay for his dog's vet care when NASA had a budget after faking the Moon landing, and the other was just some ignorant guy on a bus--while I was on my way to see Neil deGrasse Tyson. Funnily enough, I had intended to ask him about CTs, how often he sees them, and how he deals with them, but someone asked about explosives in the WTC before I had a chance.)

[smlbstcbr]

Aug 15, 2008 8:06:41 GMT -4 Grand Lunar said:

His excuse was that the stars are all edited out of the photos.

Yet another "Get out of jail free" card.

Seems, by only taking that sentence into a very quick analysis, that he does not even think about what he is going to say... ;D (unless, of course, that his purpose is to make himself look and sound dumb).

[laurel]

Aug 15, 2008 3:56:13 GMT -4 dwight said:

The interesting thing is that HBs tend to see themselves as a large group of individuals representing the masses. In reality the only people I have ever met outside of one person has who say the landings were faked do so primarily to as a tease.

I met someone like that once. He said jokingly that the Moon landings were faked, so I asked (in a similar not-too-serious way) how Nixon could have covered this up if he couldn't cover up Watergate, and the guy replied that Nixon had faked his own death.

[nomuse]

I take heart that even in such nests of crazies as YouTube, or Godlike Productions, the majority not only accepts the reality of Apollo but is better educated about the hoax claims than the shrinking number of hoaxers are; and able to express their beliefs with more cogency, accuracy, literacy, and passion as well. It makes the few remaining hoax believers look increasingly not just fringe but basically ignorant.

[tedward]

Aug 15, 2008 3:56:13 GMT -4 dwight said:

The interesting thing is that HBs tend to see themselves as a large group of individuals representing the masses. In reality the only people I have ever met outside of one person has who say the landings were faked do so primarily to as a tease.

Something that has been dawning on me since picking up on the anti. I think a lot of people with no real interest probably would not have thought about it and I hate to say it but probably do not really care. Problem I have surmised with the internet warriors, Google. Or similar. It provides a wealth of information (and wrong information I would use incorrect but some is just way out) but it also promotes hubris. Then on top of that, whilst gaining a following it is very hard to turn around and think you may have it wrong and put your hand up to say so. Anyway, that is my theory number three. Keeps me off the streets.

But it does make me wonder if you were to get them to voluntarily attend a lecture where some eminently qualified person can give a lecture and can field questions and demonstrate the errors in thinking.

Re the OP question. At the moment the die is cast for some. I am convinced that if you took them there and hacked a bit off for a souvenir it would be planted evidence. I also think that without wanting to understand (or refusing) the whole, it will be ignored as that is the required stance that the person wants to take.

[scooter]

We've seen what they have done with the latest Martian missions. It's so easy to just blame some nebulous "evil gubmint" entity for any possible hoax/deception/nefarious plan. No accountability at all on their part.
Perhaps a thread documenting the progress of the mission, the hardware as it proceeds towards launch?

Once it gets there, there is no doubt at all they will cry hoax...it's reflexive and necessary to their counter-NASA lifestyle.