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Post by inconceivable on Sept 1, 2008 18:44:44 GMT -4
The pictures A11-40-5924 and AS14-64-9197 are pictures showing the Earth from the lunar surface.
If an astronaut was standing on the moon,
the Earth size should be a disk 2.5 times the size of the moon seen from Earth. But in these two examples the Earth looks the same size as the moon would look standing on Earth. Are there any other pictures of the Earth from the lunar surface? Since there is no Earth rise or set, all Apollo lunar landings should have them. What is the reason for the Earth not looking any larger than the moon would look from Earth? Were these really Earth based pictures?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 1, 2008 18:47:26 GMT -4
I think you should use the search function, I'm positive there is a thread on this, including all the maths to show the Earth is the right size in the photos.
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Post by Bob B. on Sept 1, 2008 19:42:24 GMT -4
But in these two examples the Earth looks the same size as the moon would look standing on Earth. I don't believe you; prove it to me. |
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Post by raven on Sept 1, 2008 20:12:45 GMT -4
Well, have you ever seen a quick snap shot at night, and the moon is much smaller then you see it in real life? So even if it 'should be' to someone on the moon, that doesn't mean it would look that way when a picture is taken.
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Post by Count Zero on Sept 1, 2008 20:36:56 GMT -4
But in these two examples the Earth looks the same size as the moon would look standing on Earth. I don't believe you; prove it to me. Ditto. What are you using to measure it? Show me the math. |
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 1, 2008 23:48:22 GMT -4
Wide-angle lens. Do the math instead of offering your subjective opinion.
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Post by Data Cable on Sept 2, 2008 6:30:41 GMT -4
the Earth looks the same size as the moon would look standing on Earth. Provide the calculations from which you drew this conclusion. |
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Post by Kiwi on Sept 2, 2008 6:34:09 GMT -4
...in these two examples the Earth looks the same size as the moon would look standing on Earth. Are there any other pictures of the Earth from the lunar surface? As JayUtah pointed out, the pictures were taken with wide-angle lenses. These make distant things look smaller, just as telephoto lenses makes them look bigger. Did you take the wide-angle lens into account in your "looks the same size" statement? No? Have you taken your own photos of the moon with an ordinary camera and noted how small it looks? One thing that HBs need to get firmly in mind is that "looks like" is not synonymous with "is" or "must be." There are heaps of photos that include the earth from the moon, and heaps of earthrise photos from just above the moon showing lunar features that can be recognised in telescopes from earth, but shot from a different angle. There is also movie footage of the earth from lunar orbit. A few stills from Apollo 17: AS17-134-20384 AS17-134-20387 AS17-134-20464 AS17-137-20957 AS17-137-20960 AS17-137-20961 The last three are fascinating because some HBs have "proved" that Earth couldn't possibly be that low on the moon's horizon, so the photos "must be faked." As usual though, they didn't do their homework and find out exactly what sort of "horizon" and lunar surface is showing in the photos. Perhaps you could do some digging and find out -- let us know if you do. Edited to change "movie footage of the moon from lunar orbit" to "movie footage of the earth from lunar orbit." |
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Post by gwiz on Sept 2, 2008 9:25:19 GMT -4
I think you should use the search function, I'm positive there is a thread on this, including all the maths to show the Earth is the right size in the photos. It's certainly been done on BAUT, and I seem to remember it on the late and unlamented MSN hoax forum. |
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Post by inconceivable on Sept 2, 2008 16:57:10 GMT -4
I've tried the search function but and had no success. This was a statement from a chapter in The book of Popular Science Volume 4. So I was trying to get some clarification on the matter. The wide camera lens is a good suggestion. Are there any statements from the astronauts on the size of the Earth from the lunar surface - optically.
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 2, 2008 17:47:48 GMT -4
This was a statement from a chapter in The book of Popular Science Volume 4. So I was trying to get some clarification on the matter.
That's a nice backpedal.
You accused the Apollo photographs of showing the Earth at an improper size and asked, "Were these really Earth-based pictures?" No mention of the need to clarify, but a clear proposal of a hoaxed photo. Kindly tell us what method you used to determine that the Earth was the wrong size in these photos.
Are there any statements from the astronauts on the size of the Earth from the lunar surface - optically.
Why would that matter?
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Post by AtomicDog on Sept 2, 2008 18:16:40 GMT -4
I remember that authors such as Isaac Asimov were sticklers for getting the apparent sizes of the planets right in their stories written in the '50s and '60s; it simply staggers belief to think that NASA would be so boneheaded as to get such a thing wrong even if they were faking the photos.
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Post by nomuse on Sept 2, 2008 18:19:29 GMT -4
Doesn't this sound a little like the "no stars" fallback answer? That is, the moment the usual Hoax Believer is finally forced to abandon the idea that stars should be visible on pictures taken from the Moon, they fluidly slip across to claims about astronauts seeing stars from the Moon (so they can pretend they've never changed horses or been proven wrong but are still waiting for an answer for their original question).
No accusation meant, inconceivable. Just that so many years of watching the same behavior from the Hoax Believers has left most of us very suspicious and inclined to pick up on what looks like the same tired old techniques when they show up.
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Post by Ginnie on Sept 2, 2008 19:15:37 GMT -4
The pictures A11-40-5924 and AS14-64-9197 are pictures showing the Earth from the lunar surface. Were these really Earth based pictures? Huh? Pictures of the Earth, taken on Earth? Do you mean are they faked pictures? |
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Post by AstroSmurf on Sept 3, 2008 1:54:18 GMT -4
No, what he means is that they took a photo of the Moon from the Arizona moon set, only they had someone go up there and put a transparency... oh, never mind.
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