Jesus Vs. Socrates Sept 15, 2008 18:51:12 GMT -4
Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 15, 2008 18:51:12 GMT -4
Sept 15, 2008 15:56:45 GMT -4 @dmundt said:In a discussion of whether or not there is evidence to show that Jesus existed or whether he was a fictional creation, this is a very good point. Jesus could very well be a fictional creation of that day's L. Ron Hubbard. My point was that the existence of Christians does not point to the existence of Jesus -- Christianity did not have to start with Jesus. So yes, I have heard of L. Ron Hubbard and you make my point very clear by bringing him up.
Nice to see you have totally dropped your orignal point. You said:
The existence of Scientologists does not prove the existence of Xenu. Someone did not have to create the group.
But someone did have to create the group, that person was the person that Scientologists consider their prophet, L Ron Hubbard. Christians don't consider Paul to be their Prophet, they consider Jesus to be in that position. Besides, the writtings for the NT aren't all from one person (though Paul was definately the most prolific) but rather they also come from authors who identify themselves as Peter (an eye witness), John (an eye witness), James (supposedly Jesus's half Brother), Jude (calls himself James' brother.) Since Paul and his compainions' writtings discuss Peter and James as real people there is no reason to say they are not, and if they were, then we have eye winesses to Jesus.