Krishna and the Moon Hoax

[Ginnie]

science.krishna.org/Articles/2000/12/00227.html

Some quotes from the very detailed research they have done:

...on the moon rocks:
which could have been easily mocked up in a lab

the photographs and film footage are the only proof that the Eagle ever landed
...what about radio transmissions? Independent photos of dumps from the capsules?

...on the Apollo photos:
Not one was badly composed or even blurred.
Funny, I find lots of photos like this one:
www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS11-44-6573

The shadows could only have been created with multiple light sources and, in particular, powerful spotlights

Not one still picture matches the film footage
!!!!!!

Outer space is awash with deadly radiation that emanates from solar flares firing out from the sun. Standard astronauts orbiting earth in near space, like those who recently fixed the Hubble telescope, are protected by the earth's Van Allen belt.
...huh?

A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16's Lunar Lander lifting off the Moon. Who did the filming?
I guess they know nothing about the Lunar Rover...
Why didn't America make a signal on the Moon that could be seen from Earth?

...I guess it has to be visible to be detected?

And where, in all of these shots, are the stars?

...we've heard this one before!

The Vedas state that the moon is 800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun. so to land on the moon the astronauts would have had to go 94 million miles. So this is the Krishna's reasoning that we never set foot on the moon. I heard of this before but never paid any attention to it.

[JayUtah]

Yes, it's simply the Milne article. The Krishna cosmology does not allow for a Moon landing, on the basis of supposed distance from Earth. They simply latch onto whatever pseudoscience seems to support their beliefs. I debated one of those guys at length, and couldn't get him to extend himself beyond taking his interpretation of the Vedic writings literally.

[Count Zero]

I debated one of those guys at length, and couldn't get him to extend himself beyond taking his interpretation of the Vedic writings literally.

Dang. I'd almost forgotten that guy. I really should keep Lacuna on my speed-dialer.

[laurel]

Was this the debate with Motom88 on IMDB? The one obsessed with the names of Saturday, Sunday and Monday?

Edit: the name didn't have a hyphen. Oops.

[JayUtah]

The name sounds familiar.

[BertL]

You see, this is why Buddha didn't follow Hinduism but went on his own path instead.

[Apollo Gnomon]

The famous "Third Way" -- avoiding the extremes of the privilege he grew up with and the Ascetics he fled to.

Let's all try to remember this Third Way when we deal with ignorance and emotions in the coming year. We don't have to respond. We can chose to react or not react. Or we can chose to react without passion, calmly.

[raven]

This reminds me of how the flat Earth people claim that moon landing was fake because the photographs showed the Earth to be round.
Never of course considering it may just mean they are, well. . .wrong.

[Jason Thompson]

Dec 27, 2008 1:39:31 GMT -4 Ginnie said:

The Vedas state that the moon is 800,000 miles farther from the earth than the sun.

Intriguing. Any idea how they explain lunar phases and solar eclipses if the Moon is supposed to be further than the Sun, or how indeed they arrived at that conlcusion at all?

[Ginnie]

krishnascience.com/1_UNI_1.html

There are 14 planetary systems. These are horizontal planes, parallel to the orbit of the sun around the earth, as seen from the earth, and extend to close to the inner layer of the spherically shaped universe.

[Jason]

Don't the Hari Krishnas believe you can get to the moon on your own power anyway? I seem to recall having read that in one of their books.

[Grand Lunar]

For some reason, the name "Krishna" sounds familar.

Glad I have books by Martin Rees, Phil Plait, and Neil Tyson to show me a world of reason!

[dragonblaster]

Dec 28, 2008 13:03:44 GMT -4 Jason Thompson said:

how indeed they arrived at that conlcusion at all?

Umm, they, like, um, made it up without really thinking about it?

No, sorry, I'm just being closed-minded, I know. I'm sorry.

[Jairo]

Does anybody know what part of the Vedas are they quoting to conclude that? I asked to some Krishnas, and they didn't know.

[Ginnie]

Couldn't find that part...

This was interesting though:


The following questions and answers are taken from "Vedic Cosmography and Astronomy" by Dr. Richard L. Thompson (SadApUta dasa) which was published in 1989 by the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (used with permission). SadApUta dasa is a founding member of the Bhaktivedanta Institute, the scientific branch of ISKCON.

[From Chapter Eight - Questions and Answers]

Q: Using radar and lasers, scientists have recently obtained very accurate estimates of the earth-moon distance. This distance is about 238,000 miles. How do you reconcile this with Vedic calculations?

A: According to sUrya-siddhAnta [see footnote], the distance from the earth globe to the moon is about 258,000 miles. This is in reasonable agreement with the modern value.

Q: The Vedic literature says that the moon is higher than the sun. How can this be?

A: In Chapter 22 of the Fifth Canto, the heights of the planets above the earth are given, and it is stated that the moon is 100,000 yojanas above the rays of the sun. In this chapter, the word "above" means "above the plane of BhU-maNDala". It does not refer to distance measured radially from the surface of the earth globe. In Section 4.b we show that if the plane of BhU-maNDala corresponds to the plane of the ecliptic, then it indeed makes sense to say that the moon is higher than the sun relative to BhU-maNDala. This does not mean that the moon is farther from the earth globe than the sun.

For example, if point A is in a plane, B is 1,000 miles above the plane, and C is 2,000 miles above the plane, we cannot necessarily conclude that C is further from A than B is.