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Post by james on Jan 8, 2009 20:49:08 GMT -4
I don't recall seeing this discussed here. I think it's a new thing some HB has come up with. I think it's incredibly silly to say they least (what HB theory isn't?), but I thought I'd share it regardless. The basic gist seems to be that the quindar tones were actually video editing cues or something like that. Everytime an astronaut enters or exits the frame of the video camera, there's a beep. Like I said, it's silly, but I thought I'd post it anyway. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMax7EGyQSQ |
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Post by raven on Jan 8, 2009 21:05:59 GMT -4
Yet again with the HB contradictions. They claim they had this super amazing awesome machine, yet they also claim that the navigation computer on board wasn't powerful enough to do the task intended.
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 9, 2009 0:29:38 GMT -4
Right: the claim is not that NASA is unsophisticated, but rather that NASA is evil.
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Post by laurel on Jan 9, 2009 0:38:18 GMT -4
LunaCognita also thinks there was some big sinister cover-up on Apollo 10 because the astronauts heard eerie whistling sounds (that turned out to be VHF interference) and because the Public Affairs Officer made a mistake about which astronaut had just spoken.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAp2Ni9frJE&feature=channel_pageBut he must be right about the Quindar tones conspiracy because he interviewed a "confidential informant" who told him about the deception. Airtight evidence, eh?  |
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 9, 2009 0:43:07 GMT -4
Well, my confidential informant says that his confidential information is full of crap.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jan 9, 2009 7:30:45 GMT -4
Don't these tones also exist in ISS and shuttle transmissions?
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Post by dwight on Jan 9, 2009 7:54:38 GMT -4
Geez talk about catering to a ever decreasing niche market. LunarCognito doesn't know much about the GCTA camera beyond "it shot video". I bet he can't even tell you what sequence the color wheel gave the colors nor the system used to combined the fields on the ground. "quindars" hey? I wonder why NASA didnt just use either FSK or DTMF tones, considering most VTRs are tailor made to respond to those.
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Post by raven on Jan 9, 2009 9:32:22 GMT -4
Well, my confidential informant says that his confidential information is full of crap. Reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes playing baseball with ghost players in the other places. ;D Hobbes:"The ghost-crowd supports me, they're boo-ing you." |
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Post by dwight on Jan 9, 2009 11:35:54 GMT -4
The other thing I don't get is why NASA didn't just use a dedicated audio channel for these commands? Why did they appear on the TX audio? Even in the early days in a studio the director's loop was independent from program audio. Considering they were allegedly using a digital system years ahead of the years-ahead technology, it strikes me as odd that they forgot to add at bare minimum a CUE track like most of the stock standard 2" machines of the day!
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jan 9, 2009 13:50:43 GMT -4
It's like Jay said, Dwight; the goal of hoax believers is to make NASA look evil. It doesn't matter how many plot holes there are in their ideas, nor does it matter how much their ideas lack logic, intelligence, or education.
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Post by captain swoop on Jan 9, 2009 14:10:59 GMT -4
why not just edit them out?
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Post by dwight on Jan 9, 2009 14:27:45 GMT -4
The one thing that amazes me is the group allegiance to any hoax theory no matter how absurd. It's nice to know that if I came on here sprouting some stupid explanation of technology that is obviously incorrect, you'd all pounce on me in a hearbeat.
I am reminded of a public access TV show that we were obliged to air in the 1980's "Race and Reason" which was a 30 minute tirade of anti semetic, neo Nazi rubbish. I used to comfort myself knowing that it was, at the end of the day broadcast on public access, which few people watched or took seriously. Same with YT. Yes it has mass reach, though most people watch music clips and I never see a hoax video on the "being watched right now" banner. Also if you look at the comments, its all the same crowd obviously attending the premiere which is mailed to friends when you post a video. Call me daft, but I swear they all still use Mark's DVDs as the primary source.
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Post by laurel on Jan 9, 2009 14:50:17 GMT -4
Well, my confidential informant says that his confidential information is full of crap. Reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes playing baseball with ghost players in the other places. ;D Hobbes:"The ghost-crowd supports me, they're boo-ing you." "The ghost umpire just suspended all your ghosts for eternity! They're out of the game!"  |
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 9, 2009 15:23:02 GMT -4
It never ceases to amaze me how little these hoax-mongers know about the world around them. I'm used to their ignorance of space science and engineering. But more I'm finding that they don't know anything about the methods available for perpetrating a hoax.
As with the claimed property construction and flyrig, we find that if the alleged hoaxsters had simply used industry-standard methods, the "clues" to the hoax would not have appeared. We wouldn't have a C written on a rock. We wouldn't have lights glinting off the wires. And here we wouldn't have cue signals mixed into the production audio.
Conspiracism is often about making the conspiracist seem smart, as if he has outwitted a nefarious foe. "You tried to fool us, but I'm not fooled." Unfortunately the fantasy world that has to be created in order to supply that perceptual framework requires the alleged foe to be copiously stupid in order for the conspiracist's modest and unspecialized intellect to prevail.
Conspiracists think they know how to make a movie, but they don't. And so the hypothetical movie-makers they set up as the imaginary foes have to be comically inept. Real filmmakers are, in effect, professional hoaxsters. If they don't put on a convincing enough show, they don't eat. They're strongly motivated to avoid detection, and hence develop good techniques for it.
But in conspiracy-theory Bizarro World, the hoaxster filmmakers leave in these egregiously fatal flaws that any conscientious practitioner would immediately recognize, ahbor, and have done something about. And conveniently these highly-broken filmmaking processes explain the conspiracists' interpretation of some feature in the final product.
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Post by scubadude402 on Jan 10, 2009 12:22:44 GMT -4
It is a bit hard to believe that, if all the hoax believers assumptions are correct, that NASA with all of it's enginners,scientist,special effects people,technical advisors,etc,etc, and billions of dollars available to create a series of "movies" purporting to be actual footage of space flight and moon walking are true, then NASA would have to be some of the most incompetent film makers in history. It would make " Plan 9 from Outer Space" seem like " 2001: a space odyssey" ! I mean they forgot to add the 10ft by 12ft craters from the thousands of pounds of thrust coming from under the luna landers engines 6 times! ( oops), some "genius" forgot to add the billions of blazing stars in the lunar sky! ( darn), The rigging wires from the astrouauts flying rigs were left in the scene like a episode of lost in space-( crap!), They forgot to add the trackmarks from the lunar rovers ( damnit!), They forgot to add in the dely of the voice transmissions from the earth to the moon and back ( missed that one!), The landers should have been constructed of stainless steel and 12" lead not cardboard and duck tape ( those morons in the prop dept!), They never changed the backdrop from all of the different missions ( someone got chewed out for that one!!), They made the door on the landers too small for the astronauts to crawl thru with their PLSS paks( heads rolled on that one i bet!). Welll, did i miss anymore mistakes they made?
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