Post by wadefrazier3 on Mar 18, 2011 1:25:32 GMT -4
This went far afield. If nobody has any suggestions where it can be posted, thanks anyway. I contacted the astronaut corps directly and will spend some more “capital” to try to find someplace that will host it. A Wikipedia “editor” already erased Brian’s final statement reference, and this is going to be another one of those long, thankless slogs. And like when I got Brian’s bio published, the most gracious people I have encountered on this quest so far have been the astronauts themselves.
OK, Richard Rather, AKA Count Zero, sorry if you feel condescended to, but you were skating on thin ice. I am very, very tired of the “white science” folks thinking that fringe science is the province of “conspiracy theory nuts” and the like. It is crazily dangerous business, especially when you begin playing the free energy game, as one of my recent interviewers noted (about 14 minutes into this segment):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZOkbhfeJU
Jay has seen the “white science” part of Lawrence Livermore. Mark stumbled into the “black science” part of that world long ago:
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread392968/pg7
He is one of Brian’s buddies, and Mark got the “gentle” treatment. I had a NASA pal do some digging into Mark’s Lawrence story, and he was able to confirm it with one of Mark’s mentors at that facility back then, who happens to be a fairly famous scientist. Others have received far worse treatment. Mark got off easy.
That was kind of strange that I posted something from people pretty close to Mallove:
www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#mallove
to watch this thread go off on all sorts of tangents. Mallove’s murder spurred Brian to move to South America, and sadly I understood. Brian has suffered greatly for sticking his neck out there. You can see in this video where he mentions some of what he has survived, and will not name names, because they are still around.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp_0V127eU
I think it is in the second half of that clip. If I outlive Brian, or he outlives his persecutors, maybe you will hear more about it in detail, but playing at the level that Brian does is life risking behavior. The moon hoax issue is really small potatoes, compared to the other issues he is taking on.
Richard, my interest in this issue is partly because my father worked in Mission Control during the Space Race:
www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#oleary
I do not need to reminded of what a feat it was. I heard it plenty growing up. However, I also know that rockets and the like are Stone Age relics compared to the good stuff:
www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground
There is no “theory” about it, although most are in denial of it, and you and I will never get invited to that show. You have to play at levels where you should have been dead several times over, showing great courage and integrity, to get invited to one of those. Brian is well aware of the reality of that stuff, and it is another reason why the moon landings do not hold as much interest to him as it does to the people of this forum (or me – unlike Brian, I spent a fair amount of time looking at the evidence).
For the record, I introduced Jay to Brian, but was not privy to their exchanges other than when Jay originally reported what Brian had to say,
www.clavius.org/oleary.html
it squared with my understanding of where Brian’s head was back then. As far as me convincing Brian to come back to the Moon Hoax fray – that is not going to happen. I had my chance back in 2001, when he was duly impressed with Armstrong’s Leap and also told Jay so:
www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#governor
I know that Brian, saint that he is, took on all comers until his most recent heart attack, and he was bombarded on the issue mercilessly. I got approached by all manner of people back in 2001/2002 myself (before I stopped interacting with the public), with all sorts of people trying to drag me into HoaxLand. I can only imagine what Brian has been through. Also, for the record, Richard’s “consented to an interview in which he was asked to give his informed opinion” is a bit of a stretch. As you can read on Jay’s site:
www.clavius.org/oleary.html
Brian allowed himself to be interviewed for what he thought was going to be his opinion on Cydonia. The interview did not turn out as advertised, and ten seconds of a two-hour interview were used out of context, making Brian the center of that firestorm ever since. As Brian told me in 2001, they “ambushed him” with a camera crew. I cannot say all the things that Brian is facing, but his final statement is going to be his final statement on the issue, an issue that he regrets ever getting involved in, not because anything that he said is wrong or off base, but partly because of how this issue is defining his public persona.
Would it take Brian that long to get satisfied that the moon hoax arguments and evidence are pretty weak, when you drill down into them? I doubt it, but it takes a bit. Also, as was mentioned in this thread, only twelve people know for sure, and they are not all alive. Brian helped get Buzz Aldrin a job once and shared an office with him, so we can say that Brian has been pretty close to the situation, and none of us are going to take him closer. Also, Brian is highly aware that NASA and the space establishment is not telling the public the truth about UFOs, ETs and other matters that are way, way more important than if we landed on the moon or not. Brian and I have not talked real deeply about it, in all the details, but I know enough to know how trivial the moon landing issue is to Brian. In another, yet-to-be-published interview with those same guys, I stated that when I described to Brian, long ago, about that underground show that one of my pals got:
www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#underground
Brian’s response was, “Oh, he got a show from the spooks.” I might as well have been telling Brian about how the sun comes up every day or how seeds can turn into trees, that is how unremarkable my friend’s show was, when people begin playing at the high levels.
Anyway, that is enough for one night. I doubt that I will be responding much on this thread on this issue, unless somebody has an idea where I can publish Brian’s final word.
Best,
Wade
OK, Richard Rather, AKA Count Zero, sorry if you feel condescended to, but you were skating on thin ice. I am very, very tired of the “white science” folks thinking that fringe science is the province of “conspiracy theory nuts” and the like. It is crazily dangerous business, especially when you begin playing the free energy game, as one of my recent interviewers noted (about 14 minutes into this segment):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZOkbhfeJU
Jay has seen the “white science” part of Lawrence Livermore. Mark stumbled into the “black science” part of that world long ago:
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread392968/pg7
He is one of Brian’s buddies, and Mark got the “gentle” treatment. I had a NASA pal do some digging into Mark’s Lawrence story, and he was able to confirm it with one of Mark’s mentors at that facility back then, who happens to be a fairly famous scientist. Others have received far worse treatment. Mark got off easy.
That was kind of strange that I posted something from people pretty close to Mallove:
www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#mallove
to watch this thread go off on all sorts of tangents. Mallove’s murder spurred Brian to move to South America, and sadly I understood. Brian has suffered greatly for sticking his neck out there. You can see in this video where he mentions some of what he has survived, and will not name names, because they are still around.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp_0V127eU
I think it is in the second half of that clip. If I outlive Brian, or he outlives his persecutors, maybe you will hear more about it in detail, but playing at the level that Brian does is life risking behavior. The moon hoax issue is really small potatoes, compared to the other issues he is taking on.
Richard, my interest in this issue is partly because my father worked in Mission Control during the Space Race:
www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#oleary
I do not need to reminded of what a feat it was. I heard it plenty growing up. However, I also know that rockets and the like are Stone Age relics compared to the good stuff:
www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#underground
There is no “theory” about it, although most are in denial of it, and you and I will never get invited to that show. You have to play at levels where you should have been dead several times over, showing great courage and integrity, to get invited to one of those. Brian is well aware of the reality of that stuff, and it is another reason why the moon landings do not hold as much interest to him as it does to the people of this forum (or me – unlike Brian, I spent a fair amount of time looking at the evidence).
For the record, I introduced Jay to Brian, but was not privy to their exchanges other than when Jay originally reported what Brian had to say,
www.clavius.org/oleary.html
it squared with my understanding of where Brian’s head was back then. As far as me convincing Brian to come back to the Moon Hoax fray – that is not going to happen. I had my chance back in 2001, when he was duly impressed with Armstrong’s Leap and also told Jay so:
www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#governor
I know that Brian, saint that he is, took on all comers until his most recent heart attack, and he was bombarded on the issue mercilessly. I got approached by all manner of people back in 2001/2002 myself (before I stopped interacting with the public), with all sorts of people trying to drag me into HoaxLand. I can only imagine what Brian has been through. Also, for the record, Richard’s “consented to an interview in which he was asked to give his informed opinion” is a bit of a stretch. As you can read on Jay’s site:
www.clavius.org/oleary.html
Brian allowed himself to be interviewed for what he thought was going to be his opinion on Cydonia. The interview did not turn out as advertised, and ten seconds of a two-hour interview were used out of context, making Brian the center of that firestorm ever since. As Brian told me in 2001, they “ambushed him” with a camera crew. I cannot say all the things that Brian is facing, but his final statement is going to be his final statement on the issue, an issue that he regrets ever getting involved in, not because anything that he said is wrong or off base, but partly because of how this issue is defining his public persona.
Would it take Brian that long to get satisfied that the moon hoax arguments and evidence are pretty weak, when you drill down into them? I doubt it, but it takes a bit. Also, as was mentioned in this thread, only twelve people know for sure, and they are not all alive. Brian helped get Buzz Aldrin a job once and shared an office with him, so we can say that Brian has been pretty close to the situation, and none of us are going to take him closer. Also, Brian is highly aware that NASA and the space establishment is not telling the public the truth about UFOs, ETs and other matters that are way, way more important than if we landed on the moon or not. Brian and I have not talked real deeply about it, in all the details, but I know enough to know how trivial the moon landing issue is to Brian. In another, yet-to-be-published interview with those same guys, I stated that when I described to Brian, long ago, about that underground show that one of my pals got:
www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#underground
Brian’s response was, “Oh, he got a show from the spooks.” I might as well have been telling Brian about how the sun comes up every day or how seeds can turn into trees, that is how unremarkable my friend’s show was, when people begin playing at the high levels.
Anyway, that is enough for one night. I doubt that I will be responding much on this thread on this issue, unless somebody has an idea where I can publish Brian’s final word.
Best,
Wade