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Post by Kiwi on Feb 9, 2010 23:09:32 GMT -4
It's hardly a secret. Find yourself a copy of National Geographic, October 1968... I'd heard that it was a research trip, but not the detail. That's a fascinating article, I'd love to get a look at the magazine, do they have an online archive? National Geographic put scans of all of their issues on CD-ROM for sale in 1997. Your local library might have them or be able to get them on interloan. I picked up a free sample CD-ROM of the 1994-96 issues with the UK's PC Format magazine, October 1997. Note that there is no more mention of von Braun in that particular article. I wonder if earlier issues reported his visit. Going back to the opening post, was von Braun ever an actual employee of NASA's? And if not, was it any of NASA's business to comment on his visit to Antarctica, other than from a public relations or publicity point of view?
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Post by Bob B. on Feb 10, 2010 1:35:30 GMT -4
was von Braun ever an actual employee of NASA's? I believe so. Wasn't he the director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center?
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Post by macapple on Feb 10, 2010 7:59:27 GMT -4
There is also a section on the trip in an Old copy of the Popular Science magazine entitled "Space mans look at Antarctica" in 1967 Vol 190. The rational for the trip was for senior NASA management to see how scientific teams in the region coped with the logistics and life in a barren cold place. Nice photo Obviously faked as what sane man would want to go to Antartica...
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Post by echnaton on Feb 10, 2010 8:01:38 GMT -4
Von Braun was Director of MSFC from its founding in 1960 to 1970.
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Post by tedward on Feb 10, 2010 8:52:17 GMT -4
Of course that photo is faked, the flag is drooping. No air on the moon to hold it up so it must have been..... no hang on, can you hold your breath on the moon?
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Post by echnaton on Feb 10, 2010 9:11:28 GMT -4
..... no hang on, can you hold your breath on the moon? That is an interesting question. With the relatively low pressure in the LM, could an astronaut have held his breath in the event of a sudden failure. If so, how much time would he have had to get suited up. Not enough to put on the full pressure suit, but perhaps time to put on helmet and gloves and hook up to the internal air supply.
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Post by drewid on Feb 10, 2010 10:02:47 GMT -4
I'd heard that it was a research trip, but not the detail. That's a fascinating article, I'd love to get a look at the magazine, do they have an online archive? National Geographic put scans of all of their issues on CD-ROM for sale in 1997. Your local library might have them or be able to get them on interloan. I picked up a free sample CD-ROM of the 1994-96 issues with the UK's PC Format magazine, October 1997. Note that there is no more mention of von Braun in that particular article. I wonder if earlier issues reported his visit. Going back to the opening post, was von Braun ever an actual employee of NASA's? And if not, was it any of NASA's business to comment on his visit to Antarctica, other than from a public relations or publicity point of view? Oh Man thats a WIN. I love NatGeo I'm going to have to go hunting for that. Mind you if I find it you may never ssee me again.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 10, 2010 15:30:31 GMT -4
Of course that photo is faked, the flag is drooping. No air on the moon to hold it up so it must have been..... no hang on, can you hold your breath on the moon? No it is clearly faked because he's not a frozen block of ice. The temperature in Antarctica is -98.2C, cold enough to instantly freeze your skin solid, and yet he is not wearing any sort of face covering, and his jacket is unzipped meaning it is a lot hotter, likely in a studio, hence why he is hot and has to have unzipped his heacvy jacket to try and cool down from the heat of the studio lights. (they also obviously don't have the air con on, cause the flag isn't waving.) Look at this photo of a person in a similar extreme. We can see that he has to have his face covered and he doesn't have any exposed flesh, or his jacket unzipped, and yet it is nowhere near as cold as in Antartica. Absolute proof that the Von Braun image is a fake.
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Post by tkw251070 on Feb 10, 2010 15:39:19 GMT -4
Of course that photo is faked, the flag is drooping. No air on the moon to hold it up so it must have been..... no hang on, can you hold your breath on the moon? No it is clearly faked because he's not a frozen block of ice. The temperature in Antarctica is -98.2C, cold enough to instantly freeze your skin solid, and yet he is not wearing any sort of face covering, and his jacket is unzipped meaning it is a lot hotter, likely in a studio, hence why he is hot and has to have unzipped his heacvy jacket to try and cool down from the heat of the studio lights. (they also obviously don't have the air con on, cause the flag isn't waving.) Yup. You missed the fact that his goggles are up. He would have had his corneas burnt out by the UV in a msec. Not to mention he's not surrounded in a 5 feet thick wall of lead to shield him from the radiation released by penguin turds. I can also see evidence for two light sources. He never went. Hoaxers have got it wrong, the proof is there. I declare the moonhoax dead. What more proof do they want he wasn't there. Eh, I could become a conspiracy theorist too. It's easy. You just make up loads of BS arguments, talk in an authoritative accent on YouTube, and revamp the same old tired arguments when someone tells you differently. And when you do realise you are wrong, run off for 2 months and think about some weak analogy so you can back pedal on your argument and think no one noticed why you were incorrect in the first place. Who am I?
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Post by tedward on Feb 10, 2010 17:26:01 GMT -4
Sorry but that is clearly a diver at the bottom of a shallow sea at night. He is holding on to the air line, and has weighted boots to hold him there. Here is an image of the air line as it would be clickyBesides, that cannot be Everest, I bought the tip off the top from the sales man down the pub. Wife thinks its a large stone but its got a authenticity stamp on it.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Feb 10, 2010 18:37:38 GMT -4
That is an interesting question. With the relatively low pressure in the LM, could an astronaut have held his breath in the event of a sudden failure. If so, how much time would he have had to get suited up. Not enough to put on the full pressure suit, but perhaps time to put on helmet and gloves and hook up to the internal air supply. Problem: the helmet and gloves are connected by locking rings to the pressure garment. Putting them on without the locking rings of the spacesuit itself would be no different from sticking an empty fishbowl over your head.
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Post by brotherofthemoon on Feb 10, 2010 18:50:29 GMT -4
I remember this. This is when Von Braun personally collected 842 pounds of lunar meteoroids, including numerous 10-foot deep core samples, and each one displayed billions of years of micrometeorite pitting, no signs of having been exposed to Earth's atmosphere, and showed no signs of having entered Earth's atmosphere at thousands of feet per second, right?
Sorry folks. Sometimes I'm just a snarky bastard who loves taking the piss out of the HB party line.
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Post by echnaton on Feb 11, 2010 0:32:45 GMT -4
That is an interesting question. With the relatively low pressure in the LM, could an astronaut have held his breath in the event of a sudden failure. If so, how much time would he have had to get suited up. Not enough to put on the full pressure suit, but perhaps time to put on helmet and gloves and hook up to the internal air supply. Problem: the helmet and gloves are connected by locking rings to the pressure garment. Putting them on without the locking rings of the spacesuit itself would be no different from sticking an empty fishbowl over your head. I was thinking that they if they were already in the suit with just helmet and gloves removed. IIRC in the early missions that is how they were attired for rest periods because there was not enough time to doff and don the whole suit.
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Post by JayUtah on Feb 11, 2010 0:58:50 GMT -4
And I know from personal experience, those neck rings really bite into your collarbones over time.
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Post by ineluki on Feb 11, 2010 13:28:04 GMT -4
This is when Von Braun personally collected 842 pounds of lunar meteoroids I thought those came out of a "radioactive oven"?
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