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Post by Jairo on Jul 15, 2010 12:06:24 GMT -4
CTs say that Apollo personel were assassinated in fake accidents. So I would like to find what was the death rate of test pilots at that epoch, for a better comparison. I think it was discussed here before. Does anyone remember that?
Thanks.
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Post by laurel on Jul 15, 2010 13:17:16 GMT -4
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Post by ka9q on Jul 16, 2010 0:34:27 GMT -4
The mortality rate for astronauts was pretty high too. How many people even know the following names:
Elliott See
Charles Bassett
Clifton Williams
Ted Freeman
All were NASA astronauts killed in T-38 accidents before they could fly in space for the first time.
The only non-flying astronaut generally known to the American public was Roger Chafee, by dint of having died in the Apollo 1 fire. This is why the accusation that the fire was deliberate murder is not only outrageously offensive, but utterly stupid as well. The fire became huge news and triggered a Congressional investigation that very nearly led to the cancellation of the entire Apollo program. This is not exactly the kind of thing that the supposed NASA "conspirators" would be willing to risk when experience had already shown that astronauts could die in jet crashes and the public would, at most, shrug.
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Post by laurel on Jul 16, 2010 14:41:42 GMT -4
The mortality rate for astronauts was pretty high too. How many people even know the following names: Elliott See Charles Bassett Clifton Williams Ted Freeman All were NASA astronauts killed in T-38 accidents before they could fly in space for the first time. HBs are determined to make these accidents sound sinister, but that's not realistic. Bassett and See's accident was caused by bad weather and Freeman's accident was caused by a bird strike. How people can look at these circumstances and think "assassination" is beyond me. |
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Post by gillianren on Jul 16, 2010 15:11:03 GMT -4
Conspiracist mindset where there's no such thing as coincidence?
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Post by laurel on Jul 16, 2010 19:16:00 GMT -4
I know a little about that mindset (these are the same people who think James Irwin's death was suspicious, because whoever heard of a 61-year-old with a history of heart problems dying of a heart attack?), I just meant that I have a hard time relating to such intense paranoia.
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Post by ka9q on Jul 16, 2010 19:24:39 GMT -4
HBs are determined to make these accidents sound sinister, but that's not realistic. Bassett and See's accident was caused by bad weather and Freeman's accident was caused by a bird strike. How people can look at these circumstances and think "assassination" is beyond me. Or take Thomas Baron's suicide: he drove himself and his family onto railroad tracks and was hit by a train. The loopier CTs claim that he was murdered by NASA. How NASA induced Baron to drive his car onto the railroad tracks is something they never explain. Did they use a mind control ray? Baron took his job as a safety inspector very seriously, probably beyond-mentally-healthy seriously. Because of his blizzard of safety complaints before the Apollo 1 fire, many of which had nothing to do with it, he was invited to testify to Congress. By all accounts he was openly despondent. His death was a tragedy but one hardly needs to invoke a NASA "rub out" to explain it. |
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Post by ka9q on Jul 16, 2010 19:27:44 GMT -4
Bassett and See's accident was caused by bad weather Bad weather and bad judgment. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 16, 2010 22:31:50 GMT -4
Or take Thomas Baron's suicide: he drove himself and his family onto railroad tracks and was hit by a train. The loopier CTs claim that he was murdered by NASA. How NASA induced Baron to drive his car onto the railroad tracks is something they never explain. Did they use a mind control ray? Baron took his job as a safety inspector very seriously, probably beyond-mentally-healthy seriously. Because of his blizzard of safety complaints before the Apollo 1 fire, many of which had nothing to do with it, he was invited to testify to Congress. By all accounts he was openly despondent. His death was a tragedy but one hardly needs to invoke a NASA "rub out" to explain it. Actually, as raised in a rather long thread eariler, it would appears that Baron more likely tried to beat the train over the crossing, and mistimed it. The evidence of suicide is weak. |
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Post by laurel on Jul 16, 2010 22:56:06 GMT -4
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 17, 2010 1:03:12 GMT -4
Laurel, I swear you must have a database full of useless facts and where to find them, lol.
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Post by ka9q on Jul 17, 2010 1:12:05 GMT -4
Thanks much for the pointer. I missed this when it originally occurred, and so I'm reading it now. I've added a few questions of my own to that thread. If it was not formally established that Thomas Baron committed suicide, I will be more than happy to retract that and avoid repeating it in the future. It did seem quite odd that Baron would kill his family along with himself even if he were suicidal. Many if not most suicides have the remaining presence of mind to avoid injury to others in the process (e.g., people who poison themselves with gas have been known to put up warning signs for rescue personnel) except when they blame those others for their problems. And there's certainly no reason for Baron to have blamed his family for North American's problems. |
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Post by gillianren on Jul 17, 2010 4:00:50 GMT -4
There's also the kind who think they're saving said family from a world of trouble and pain.
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Post by blackstar on Jul 17, 2010 15:37:25 GMT -4
The HB's unsurprisingly like to flip flop on the safety issue. When it suits them, as with Apollo 1, they like to suggest sinister forces at work. On the other hand they use incidents like Armstrong's accident with the LLTV as 'proof' that the Lunar hardware was too dangerous to use for real, an accident waiting to happen. I have no doubt that had the outcomes of those incidents been reversed we would have HB's explaining how Armstrong was about the blow the whistle...
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Post by Data Cable on Jul 17, 2010 16:57:18 GMT -4
The HB's unsurprisingly like to flip flop on the safety issue. [...] Apollo 1 [...] Armstrong's accident with the LLTV [...] And also note that nobody ever claims these events might have been faked. |
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