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Post by lionking on Aug 3, 2010 7:38:07 GMT -4
I DON'T KNOW NOW IF A WAR WILL START THE ISRAELIS WERE TRYIN TO CUT A TREE FROM THE LEBANESE SIDE, THE LEBANESE ARMY BOMBARDED THEM, killing one high-ranking officer in the Israeli army . the israelis killed two of the lebanese army and bombarded army places. I hope everything is ended soon, but the Israelis seem to think that they can enter our land when they want and cross the borders. Ban Ki moon and every UN report calls for them to STOP VIOLATING THE 1701 you can follow up on the news here : www.naharnet.com |
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Post by echnaton on Aug 3, 2010 9:58:05 GMT -4
Israel, of course, says they were on their own side of the blue line. I wonder if anyone has GPS coordinates of the tree in question?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 3, 2010 10:31:50 GMT -4
I DON'T KNOW NOW IF A WAR WILL START THE ISRAELIS WERE TRYIN TO CUT A TREE FROM THE LEBANESE SIDE, THE LEBANESE ARMY BOMBARDED THEM, killing one high-ranking officer in the Israeli army . Was it really necessary to bombard anyone over a tree?  Was there some "Unobtainium" under it? |
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Post by Jason on Aug 3, 2010 11:14:47 GMT -4
Come now Lunar Orbit, you know that, in Lionking's view at least, it's always Israel's fault.
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Post by echnaton on Aug 3, 2010 12:22:17 GMT -4
The tree in question was blocking the scenic view of a quaint Lebanese village. One that Israeli security apparently can't abide not being able to view through its border camera network.
The tit for tat accusations of fault could be ended if one side would provide the coordinates of the tree. Although I bet that the respective militaries could not even agree on the location if they were each standing at the spot with a GPS in hand.
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Post by lionking on Aug 3, 2010 14:04:42 GMT -4
really?
they continuosuly kidnap people who coem across the boarder fro mthe lebanese side, and continuously breach the 1701 flying with their jets and entering the lebanese land, at some time I think they were stealing soil. we sit down doing nothing ..for shame. all the rules and regulations are in our favor. at least if they didn't know they were wrong, they wouldn't have asked permission from the lebanese army through the unifil. when the army refused, they didn't abide by ..they army sent them a warning and still they didn't listen. then the army bombed them.
the y were trying to cut a tree and to put a camera if I understood well to spy on us. by all laws and regulations they can't cross the boarders and that's that. stop giving them excuses, can you. The UNIFIL ran away also once the fight started instead of taking control and calming the situation
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Post by lionking on Aug 3, 2010 14:13:07 GMT -4
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 3, 2010 14:21:15 GMT -4
So you're saying that you don't believe it was an overreaction to KILL people over a tree?
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Post by homobibiens on Aug 3, 2010 15:05:55 GMT -4
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Post by echnaton on Aug 3, 2010 15:13:20 GMT -4
Well I suppose the Israelis will be more careful when pruning the forests next time.
That picture, if it is of the actual event, does look like an incursion to increase cross border surveillance.
ETA: Bloomberg reports that the Israelis claim the tree was on their side of the border, which raises a question. Is that fence a border marker or a security fence set back from the border on the Israeli side? Lionking, can you point to the exact spot of the shootings on Google maps?
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Post by lionking on Aug 4, 2010 2:21:03 GMT -4
So you're saying that you don't believe it was an overreaction to KILL people over a tree? it is 7000 violations of the Lebanese territory and space, and continual remarks for them to stop. it doesn't becoem a tree issue, it becoems a sovereignty issue. echanton, I don't know of google maps. th issue happened in a village called Adaisseh borering Israel. Anyhow, Lebanon raised a compalint for the UN and they will be looking into it. What is dangerous is that Nasralla said yesterday that next time the army gets attacked he will not sit down doing nothing. That would mean destroying the 1701. If Israel wants to stir a problem with Hizbollah, they will do any crossing of provocation. The army had commands to respond to any violation of territory even without going back to the leadership, and "no matter wha tthe sacrifices are", as the President said. That hizbolla issue will create lots of problems, and it is not that easy here o tell them not to respond when the army gets killed due to respondign to Israeli violations on territory. |
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Post by lionking on Aug 4, 2010 2:55:28 GMT -4
I will summerize the Assafir newspaper report for today:
* an israeli force tried to remove a tree on the Lebanese side that blocks the view of the camera they want to put
*the lebanese army asked the UNIFIL to stop the Israelsi because they crossed the borders
*The UNIFIL asked the israelis to postpone the issue 24 hours to solve the problem
*ISRAEL REFUSED AND CONTINUED WITH THEIR WORK
*The lebanese shot fir for warning
*the israelis replied by injuring two soldiers and a civilian
*the lebanese replied back as appropriate, and isreal replied by bombing lebanee army stations, killing two soldiers and a journalist.
*the lebanese army leadeship tells the newspaper that the israelis had been told before that there are firm orders to reply to any israeli violation, and they were informed very clearly , but they refuse to listen
*the army leadership says that we will respond to future violations as well
*there will be a meeting with the israelis and the unifil to discuss the issue
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Post by lionking on Aug 4, 2010 4:51:44 GMT -4
the lebanese say thta the place that israel entered is not under one view regarding the blue line, which means it is controversial and not agreed upon by everyone that it is underthe blue line. it seems the unifil thinks that the trees are from the blue line side of israel..
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Post by Jason on Aug 4, 2010 12:25:23 GMT -4
*the israelis replied by injuring two soldiers and a civilian *the lebanese replied back as appropriate, and isreal replied by bombing lebanee army stations, killing two soldiers and a journalist. Here's where you begin running into problems. You apparently think that injuring a few people warrents bombings that kill a few people, as long as it's the Lebanese being injured but the Israelis being killed. |
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Post by archer17 on Aug 4, 2010 13:10:00 GMT -4
I know blame and rationalizations are inevitable when something like this happens. We have two versions one can hitch their wagon to but, to me, two things are apparent. There is a need for a more assertive buffer-force on the border and less ambiguity as to whose territory is whose. Lives lost over a dang tree is ridiculous.
The impression I'm getting from various news sources is that this unfortunate incident doesn't appear to be in imminent danger of escalation. lionking correctly pointed out that resumption of hostilities likely would pull in Hezbollah and Israel knows this as well yet there doesn't appear to be any Israeli evacuation of civilians from the border area. I also feel the regular Lebanese military is not itching for a fight - they know the IDF's capabilities.
One other point lionking made that I'm in agreement with is, if one's keeping score at home, Israel is way ahead on the 'violation of territorial sovereignty' card with frequent overflights of southern Lebanese territory. It is this fact, coupled with a disputed piece of real estate, that likely resulted in the regular Lebanese military standing up to the regional superpower here.
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