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Post by fireballs on Aug 22, 2010 19:57:37 GMT -4
In my opinion, the only way the moon hoax theory will totally die is if a telescope is invented that allows people to view the landing sites right here from earth. Yes, there is the LRRR, but it (and some of the lasers used) belong to the government, so theorists can explain it away, saying the government fakes it. The lasers that aren't owned by the government could be said to be paid off by the feds. So I think the only cure will be if people are able to see the sites with their own two eyes. Anyone else agree?
I have to say that I did contemplate trying to build a telescope powerful enough to see the sites, but when I started to research I realized it would have to be absolutely huge. So big, in fact, that it's nearly impossible to build such a telescope. Maybe in the future some technology will come along so we can see the landing sites right here from earth.
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Post by laurel on Aug 22, 2010 20:03:39 GMT -4
It won't work. Look how fast HBs dismissed the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter pictures. People who are stubbornly determined to believe in a hoax will ignore any evidence shown to them.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 22, 2010 20:10:12 GMT -4
Like Laurel, I don't think it would work. The HBs will just say the Apollo hardware left on the moon is somehow fake.
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Post by fireballs on Aug 22, 2010 20:50:54 GMT -4
Maybe I should clarify myself. I'm talking about a telescope that could be bought (preferably built on a good budget) and can see the landing sites from someone's back yard. Only thing is, that kind of telescopic power is impossible right now  Maybe we should use this thread as a brainstorm of ideas on how to build such a telescope?  |
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Post by kallewirsch on Aug 22, 2010 21:02:11 GMT -4
Only thing is, that kind of telescopic power is impossible right now didn't you say you did some research in that area? Well, then you clearly figured out, that there are physical limits. A telescope beeing able to see Apollo hardware from earth must have at least a diameter of around 100 Meters (depending on what details you want to see). There is no way around this, since no one can fool physics. Even if we vuild such a monster one day, HBs would come and tell that there must be some hidden fake inside the teleskope. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 22, 2010 21:12:07 GMT -4
I don't think it would work because it'd have to be the size of a football field to make out a spot, and to really see anything definate, it'd have to be in the range of about seven football fields. I for one am not volunteering to polosh that mirror, or foot the bill.
The real way to kill the Hoax is for more people to learn basic science.
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Post by Bob B. on Aug 22, 2010 21:16:39 GMT -4
The hoax theory will never die because there will always be people who want to believe it. For these people evidence is irrelevant. They'll make up whatever ridiculous story they have to to explain away the evidence so they can go on merrily believing what they want to believe. We've seen it happen already time and time again.
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Post by Data Cable on Aug 22, 2010 21:33:45 GMT -4
In my opinion, the only way the moon hoax theory will totally die is if a telescope is invented that allows people to view the landing sites right here from earth. I used to think something similar, but I've since learned that, A) such an optical device would be gargantuan, and 2) the die-hard HB's will casually dismiss any evidence put fourth in favor of Apollo's authenticity. Re: the recent LRO photos, one even went so far as to not reject the photos as fake (i.e. photoshopped), but as photos of fakes. He actually invoked the possibility of "balsa wood mockups" on the lunar surface as at-least-as if not more plausible than once-functional Apollo hardware operated by astronauts. This is telling, in that it's not the method of imaging he's disputing, but what's being imaged. He would just as easily brush off this visual evidence were he witnessing it "live" through a purely optical instrument as he did viewing a digitally-transmitted photograph from a Moon-orbiting camera. |
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Post by grashtel on Aug 22, 2010 21:46:21 GMT -4
Maybe I should clarify myself. I'm talking about a telescope that could be bought (preferably built on a good budget) and can see the landing sites from someone's back yard. Only thing is, that kind of telescopic power is impossible right now Maybe we should use this thread as a brainstorm of ideas on how to build such a telescope? You're gonna need a rather large backyard for that. The smallest telescope that can spot the Apollo landing sites (ie just barely see that there is something there different from the surroundings) from Earth needs a primary optic in the order of 200 meters (600 feet for Americans) in diameter and in order to see any kind of detail would need to be upwards of a kilometre (two thirds of a mile) in diameter. The largest optical telescope in existence is the Gran Telescopio Canarias which is only 10.4 meters in diameter. The largest optical telescope that has actual work going on to wards its construction at the moment is the Thirty Meter Telescope (I'll leave you to guess just how big its diameter is) which is slated to be completed sometime in 2018 at a cost of almost a billion dollars. And the largest one that has had serious design studies was the Overwhelmingly Large Telescope that in its original largest form would have been 100 meters in diameter. |
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Post by fireballs on Aug 22, 2010 22:05:46 GMT -4
Well what would be ideal would be a telescope small enough to fit in a normal backyard. But physics isn't changing any time soon so it probably won't ever happen |
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Post by echnaton on Aug 22, 2010 22:48:32 GMT -4
The belief in hoaxes is a psychological phenomenon. It is part of the spectrum of human behaviors The Apollo landings are just one of many areas that people who believe in hoaxes focus there attention. The only way to do away with hoax believers is to do away with people. Some people can simply never be educated out of the belief. Look at Jack White, he's been peddling crap since the sixties without an iota of improvement.
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Post by trebor on Aug 23, 2010 1:44:15 GMT -4
I was speaking to a hoax believer some time ago who also insisted the ISS was fake, when pointed out that it was perfectly possible to see it with your own eyes ans much detail on it through a telescope he suggested it might be a hologram.
There is no possible evidence (even seeing it with their own eyes) which could convince many.
And they will continue to make reasonable sounding arguments which people will accept without any attempt at research or critical thinking.
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Post by ajv on Aug 23, 2010 1:56:38 GMT -4
Rather than changing physics it might be easier to just move the Moon closer  Do you have any friends of friends of friends of friends of friends who happen to own a major stellar trucking company? |
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Post by tedward on Aug 23, 2010 3:13:39 GMT -4
I think that some people would not believe it if you took them ether and bobbed their heads on the landing legs. They would say it was done later or one such person thinks it was a wooden mock up. Which begs a question.
Another denizen of youchube is asking for money to get sent there, a rather disingenuous and legally dubious affair as there is no way in the world he is going like that.
No, the only way is tackle them to at least prevent them spreading poor science, well, no science and opinions.
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Post by thetart on Aug 23, 2010 3:50:55 GMT -4
I don't want the hoax theory to die.
Because of the hoax theory (and hence sites like this) I have learned a lot of interesting technical stuff about rocket science.
But more importantly I've rekindled my passion and admiration for the folk that went to the moon. I respect them a lot more than internet HBs who refuse to accept the evidence. Truth seekers? My arse.
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