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Post by dwight on Jul 25, 2011 5:52:31 GMT -4
Not only is the A.D.D. Aussie completely wrong about the moon landings - he's completely unoriginal as well. In fairness svector, while I and others find the accusation that Jarrah and his cronies threw at you repugnant, you don't know that he has ADD. Speaking of which I seem to recall that JW, who is well known for his stance on such actions when they happen to him, was notably quiet when the cronies were having at svector. Indeed the most laughable instance I encountered was greenmagoos telling me he felt svector was "mean".
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Post by lukepemberton on Jul 25, 2011 18:16:21 GMT -4
Speaking of which I seem to recall that JW, who is well known for his stance on such actions when they happen to him, was notably quiet when the cronies were having at svector. Indeed the most laughable instance I encountered was greenmagoos telling me he felt svector was "mean". Yes. It is a bit like selective hearing.
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Aug 10, 2011 15:27:30 GMT -4
Speaking of which I seem to recall that JW, who is well known for his stance on such actions when they happen to him, was notably quiet when the cronies were having at svector. Indeed the most laughable instance I encountered was greenmagoos telling me he felt svector was "mean". Yes. It is a bit like selective hearing. I believe svector become overly paranoid and psychotic as time went on before his major dissapearance from the Apollo community. The following is a close representation of a message from Svector to Jarrah White. "You're a (something) with a pubic hair mustache to boot. Don't ever forget that." I believe it was the comment that ultimately led to his ban from the forums. Whether I support Apollo (I do) is irrelevant when it comes to comments like these. Resorting to personal attacks and insults is only the indication of a VERY poor argument. If Svector needs to use this tactics, he clearly does not belong on the forums and should not be taken seriously by either side. Not long ago, I believe he did privately communicate with me, to which I told him off and ceased communication with him.
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Post by svector on Aug 10, 2011 18:36:20 GMT -4
I believe svector become overly paranoid and psychotic as time went on before his major dissapearance from the Apollo community. I've never been diagnosed with either disorder. As for my " dissapearance", a cursory glance at some of the recent threads on this board will demonstrate that I still maintain an active curiosity and interest in discussions about Apollo hoax allegations. Since creating the videos, I've moved on to a new career which requires more of my time, so I admit not being able to devote as much energy to the cause as I once did. Jarrah wins the contest of dedication, even if he did cultivate most of his production style by directly copying mine. If you're referring to the 9/11 conspiracy forum Jarrah frequented, I never had any intention of establishing a permanent membership there, and in fact desired quite the opposite. I do regret some of the comments I made toward Jarrah. I allowed him to get under my skin and later realized he simply wasn't worth the aggravation. A mistake which I willingly own. As for being banned from forums, (you used a plural) I am not aware of any others. Perhaps you could list them here. Sorry, no memory of this. Who are you again? .
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Post by lukepemberton on Aug 10, 2011 18:44:14 GMT -4
I see that svector has beaten me to this. I'm glad he admits that he regrets some comments at 911 forum. However, I can perfectly understand that svector let of steam given the accusations that were thrown at him. Do you think it is right to accuse someone of pedophilia without evidence? I'd like an answer to that question please.
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Aug 10, 2011 19:11:55 GMT -4
I believe svector become overly paranoid and psychotic as time went on before his major dissapearance from the Apollo community. I've never been diagnosed with either disorder. As for my " dissapearance", a cursory glance at some of the recent threads on this board will demonstrate that I still maintain an active curiosity and interest in discussions about Apollo hoax allegations. Since creating the videos, I've moved on to a new career which requires more of my time, so I admit not being able to devote as much energy to the cause as I once did. Jarrah wins the contest of dedication, even if he did cultivate most of his production style by directly copying mine. If you're referring to the 9/11 conspiracy forum Jarrah frequented, I never had any intention of establishing a permanent membership there, and in fact desired quite the opposite. I do regret some of the comments I made toward Jarrah. I allowed him to get under my skin and later realized he simply wasn't worth the aggravation. A mistake which I willingly own. As for being banned from forums, (you used a plural) I am not aware of any others. Perhaps you could list them here. Sorry, no memory of this. Who are you again? . I say "forum" as "forums". Not sure why... LOL. I THINK it was you. Through youtube, months ago. I can see where you come from about letting people get under your skin, and I don't promote the accusations made of your sexual interest (although false).
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Aug 10, 2011 19:34:47 GMT -4
Aside from the ADD nonsense that people accuse him of having, he's been accused countless times of having aspergers.... A few things, guys. It's unlikely that he does, or he would not be as thorough. ADD is a stupid suggestion because he makes 9 hour documentaries... ADD people CANNOT do that. Also, who gives a damn? haha. If you guys don't believe what he says, that's fine. But saying he has mental disorders doesn't do anything for your cause, and it certainly doesn't prove as good debunking. It really wouldn't matter if he was mentally retarded and living in a wheel chair, if such disorders exist (ADD, Aspergers, which I don't believe they DO), it would be something beyond his control. I think we should use this forum to debunk common conspiracy claims for random kids that learn about the conspiracy theory and stumble on this forum. They won't know who Jarrah is, everyone has their views about him, so let's focus on something that makes sense.
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Aug 10, 2011 19:37:41 GMT -4
Aside from the ADD nonsense that people accuse him of having, he's been accused countless times of having aspergers.... A few things, guys. It's unlikely that he does, or he would not be as thorough. ADD is a stupid suggestion because he makes 9 hour documentaries... ADD people CANNOT do that. Also, who gives a damn? haha. If you guys don't believe what he says, that's fine. But saying he has mental disorders doesn't do anything for your cause, and it certainly doesn't prove as good debunking. It really wouldn't matter if he was mentally retarded and living in a wheel chair, if such disorders exist (ADD, Aspergers, which I don't believe they DO), it would be something beyond his control. I think we should use this forum to debunk common conspiracy claims for random kids that learn about the conspiracy theory and stumble on this forum. They won't know who Jarrah is, everyone has their views about him, so let's focus on something that makes sense. In addition, one of my best friends since I was a baby suffers from ADHD, but he takes medication and you can't tell the difference. Either way, he's a very cool person and so his disorder doesn't matter. If any disorders exist with JW, that's really no cause for concern. In fact, if he has disorders, I actually applaud him. Whether I agree or not, I gotta say, MoonFaker is VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER.
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Post by laurel on Aug 10, 2011 19:51:26 GMT -4
So ... ADD people flat-out can't do certain things, but also ADD is completely controllable with medication, and also it doesn't exist? No offense, but I'm having a little trouble understanding the contradictions in this rant. I'd also like to know what your medical credentials are for you to state that certain conditions don't exist.
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Aug 10, 2011 20:07:02 GMT -4
So ... ADD people flat-out can't do certain things, but also ADD is completely controllable with medication, and also it doesn't exist? No offense, but I'm having a little trouble understanding the contradictions in this rant. I'd also like to know what your medical credentials are for you to state that certain conditions don't exist. Hmmm.. Don't recall saying ADD people can't do certain things. I said it would be difficult to devote that much time to MoonFaker if he had ADD. (ATTENTION DEFECIT DISORDER). When did I say it doesn't exist??? I said my friend can control his with medication and you can't tell a difference. And what are you talking about "rant" and "medical conditions"? You do realize there are no contradictions in what I just said there and we are LITERALLY on the same side here. So I don't know what happened to you, but obviously, you need to take a chill pill or come back to the computer when you've calmed down. You seem to have displayed very HOSTILE nature because of a few NON-CONTRADICTORY claims that I made.
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Post by laurel on Aug 10, 2011 20:09:59 GMT -4
ADD is a stupid suggestion because he makes 9 hour documentaries... ADD people CANNOT do that. You didn't say "would be difficult." You said "CANNOT." This is when you said ADD didn't exist. I was just asking questions about these claims, that's all.
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Post by lukepemberton on Aug 10, 2011 20:11:39 GMT -4
Whether I agree or not, I gotta say, MoonFaker is VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. Sorry to disagree with you Vincent. In what respect? It's a tiresome pile of long winded nonsense. It is riddled with logical fallacies, quote mining, cherry picked data and a good dose of egotistical, chest thumping ad hominen attacks. As I explained in a previous thread, there is a difference between skepticism and conspiracism. Moonfaker is conspiracism, and is flown under a pseudo-political agenda of distrust toward NASA. It is nothing more than a vile, venomous attack on others. Simple question: Have you asked Jarrah if the sources he quotes claim that Apollo was faked? He's never answered that question. He quotes many authors and their research, and not one of them disputes the Apollo landings. Therefore Moonfaker fails from first principles. Jay has a good line for it. Maybe he can provide his words as I cannot find the post. (Jay, if you would be so kind, but you had a great line that pertained to Jarrah invoking the expertise of scientists to support his claims, while avoiding the fact they believed Apollo was authentic.)
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Aug 10, 2011 20:19:15 GMT -4
Whether I agree or not, I gotta say, MoonFaker is VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER. Sorry to disagree with you Vincent. In what respect? It's a tiresome pile of long winded nonsense. It is riddled with logical fallacies, quote mining, cherry picked data and a good dose of egotistical, chest thumping ad hominen attacks. As I explained in a previous thread, there is a difference between skepticism and conspiracism. Moonfaker is conspiracism, and is flown under a pseudo-political agenda of distrust toward NASA. It is nothing more than a vile, venomous attack on others. Simple question: Have you asked Jarrah if the sources he quotes claim that Apollo was faked? He's never answered that question. He quotes many authors and their research, and not one of them disputes the Apollo landings. Therefore Moonfaker fails from first principles. Jay has a good line for it. Maybe he can provide his words as I cannot find the post. (Jay, if you would be so kind, but you had a great line that pertained to Jarrah invoking the expertise of scientists to support his claims, while avoiding the fact they believed Apollo was authentic.) In the sense of video production. Regardless of believes, I think a video production teacher would give him an A for his documentaries.
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Post by lukepemberton on Aug 10, 2011 20:30:50 GMT -4
In the sense of video production. Regardless of believes, I think a video production teacher would give him an A for his documentaries. As a scientist I give him a big fat fail. We're dealing with slandering the efforts of cutting edge engineers, brilliant scientists, incredible project management, the sweat of blue collar workers, the skill of technicians and the audacious bravery of the astronauts. Between them they achieved something that was very worthwhile and notable. It's not about presentation and style. That's empty sentiment and has no place in the debate. The argument is about fact and doing what is right in honour of the people that made it possible. He's an intellectual coward. Do you not find it suspicious that he has been making his Moonfaker videos for 5 years now, yet he has not got the courage of his own convictions to present his work to experts and shock the scientific world with his findings? Do you not find that odd? What sort of truth does he seek? Or is all bluster and chest beating from behind the veil of pretty graphics cut to appealing music? What does it come down to Vincent? A show and tell project, or the truth he claims to hold so dear? No more beating about the bush now. If he had the courage of his convictions what should he do next: (a) Carry on producing his Moonfaker videos. (b) Write up his work and challenge the scientific community. (a) or (b)?
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 10, 2011 20:52:19 GMT -4
A lie artfully told still smells like a lie.
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