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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 17, 2007 2:35:36 GMT -4
With the current fracas happening in Palestine I wonder if this isn't a way to bring about a final solution to the situation.
1) Fahtar set up a Government on the West Bank, sign a peace treaty with Israel.
2) Israel gives the occupied West Bank areas to the New Palestine Government making sure that they have a large single state for their people.
3) The Palestine Government gives Gaza to Israel
4) Israel allows those Palestinians who want to transfer to the new Palestinian State the ability to do so, checking for weapons etc as they cross over Israel and head to the new Palestine State. Those that wish to remain would be considered part of Israel once the dust settles.
5) Combined Palestinian and Israeli forces declare war and take out any Hamas resistance left in Gaza, which would then be rebuilt by Israel and would become part of Israel as under step three.
This would solve a number of problems
1) The split Palestine State is gone, and Palestinians get a single unoccupied and regonised country.
2) The Fahtar/Hamas fighting is ended.
3) The Palestine/Israeli fighting is ended.
Of course I'd imagine that Hamas wouldn't like it, but I'd suspect that most people in the region would.
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Post by lionking on Jun 17, 2007 11:50:19 GMT -4
and how is it going to work if Hamas and their puppet master Bashar didn't like it? by a palestinian civil war? and wha tabout the sensitive religious issue that is Jerusalem? Fatah itself if I am not wrong wants it as a capital for the palestinian state.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 17, 2007 17:19:38 GMT -4
I thought that step five made it obvious what would would be the result, and isn't what they have now already a civil war? (Yeah I know they don't want to call it one, but the two sides are already busy killing each other.) As to Jerusalem, yeah it is a bugbear that will always be a sticking point, though quite honestly, considering it's location and lack or resouces, why anyone would be so desperate to have it is sort of beyond me.
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Post by Ginnie on Jun 17, 2007 22:21:49 GMT -4
Jerusalem is more that a just a location, Given its history and role in Judaism, Christianity and Islam you can understand its importance.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 17, 2007 23:13:01 GMT -4
Jerusalem is more that a just a location, Given its history and role in Judaism, Christianity and Islam you can understand its importance. Oh, I understand why some people think it's important, I just don't agree with them because they are wrong, well most of them. Christianity are interested bacuase it is the place of Jesus' death and resurrection, but Christians aren't supposed to look to Earthly places but rather to their place with the father in Heaven. Muslems think it is important because of Mohumad's assention to Heaven at the furtherest Mosque. However at the time this was supposed to have happened, there was no Mosque in Jerusalem, so it cannot be the site of his supposed ascention. Finally the Jews regard it as the place to pray, but when you get right down to it, God can hear you anywhere. It just isn't as important as some people might want it to be. |
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Post by lionking on Jun 18, 2007 5:10:05 GMT -4
It is not as simple as that. If Israel could wipe hamas, it would have done so. the reply from Hamas can be in all the world on America and Israel. you'll have to think of the consequences of setting the whole world on fire. youcan turn them to anotehr AlQaeda.
As for Jerusalem, I think inside the mosque there is a rock where they clai m Mohammad was rised from. I am not sure, but whatever,..this is what they and christians and jews think and that it is religious place. you can't change them.
this is an issue that big countries tried to solve and failed because of the complications... I wonder if there will ever be peace in Palestine, but let us hope so
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Post by echnaton on Jun 18, 2007 8:58:16 GMT -4
If the battle was just domestic to Israel and Palestine this might help. But the battle is a proxy for a lot of other issues that won't be solved by some resolution among Fatah and Israel. The forces that support Hamass don't want the fight to end and as long as they can convince people to die for that fight, it will continue.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 18, 2007 18:58:22 GMT -4
Which is why it needs to be Palestinian forces doing it, backed by Israel. That way there is no legs to stand on it being a US/Isreal thing, but instead would be a join Arab/Israeli stance. After all, while Israel and Fatah have their major differences, they have been almost able to live with each other. Currently they might need to consider the old adage, the Enemy of my enemy can be my friend.
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Post by lionking on Jun 19, 2007 4:30:33 GMT -4
again, it is not simple. there are lots of pewople pro-hamas in palestine, as well as Syria Iran, and Qatar maybe joined. There can't be a massacre that fatah can take on its responsibility, killing palestinian people. And as told before, Hamas can reply in different regions of the world and turn into another Qaeda.
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Post by echnaton on Jun 19, 2007 13:38:36 GMT -4
If Israel were to try to wipe out Hamas, they would be in the same kind of fight that the U.S. Is loosing in Iraq. A guerrilla war among civilian population. Few nations have the stomach for that kind of fight. The best bet for Israel is to defend their own borders and let the people of the West Bank Gaza live under Hamas rule until thy tire of it and revolt. They will eventually revolt because they have alternatives such as going back to Fatah. Hamas came into power as a reform movement but they quickly and predictably have become a military dictatorship. That is not a road to reform. Revolutions are bloody but sometimes there is little to do but let the parties kill each other off until all the belligerents are dead and the rational have some say in matters.
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Post by lionking on Jun 19, 2007 13:52:08 GMT -4
it is not even that easy to change ones political party. In the ME, like in Lebanon, it is almost tribal and gets fanatic, especially with palestinians who r ideologically brainwashed.
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Post by echnaton on Jun 19, 2007 14:24:17 GMT -4
I understand, it tough enough here to get people to switch. But Then many people don't see much to like about either of the main parties. My understanding is that people voted for Hamas but were not necessarily members of the party. Hopefully they will tire of the Islamist ways of Hamas and seek change again, either with Fatah or not.
However Fatah is not one unified entity but a coalition that could break apart, perhaps leaving the more militant sections to counter Hamas by more fighting.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 19, 2007 17:37:12 GMT -4
let the people of the West Bank live under Hamas rule
The West Bank is controlled by Fatah, it is Gaza that has fallen to Hamas.
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Post by echnaton on Jun 19, 2007 21:13:44 GMT -4
Typo noted, thanks.
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