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Post by macapple on Sept 30, 2007 16:08:04 GMT -4
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 30, 2007 16:16:35 GMT -4
And they wonder why no one in the real world pays attention to them.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Sept 30, 2007 17:38:28 GMT -4
And they wonder why no one in the real world pays attention to them. They seem to think otherwise. I note that GreenMagoos at no point offers a point by point comparison with '2001' and the footage of the Apollo EVAs. Instead, he reverts to ad hom attacks as soon as his beliefs are questioned. |
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Post by macapple on Sept 30, 2007 17:50:09 GMT -4
i invited him here to discuss, but unfortunatly this is a two way conversation medium.. So im guessing he will never show up. A bit of a coward.
Is this typical of these people? As i was getting very frustrated with his "you answer my question" rhetoric. He obviously hasn't figured out that current accepted version is the one the majority believe. Thats the 90% of most rational thinking people.
He is the one that has to prove, without a shadow of doubt, his hypothesis. He cant and therefore you are led to assume he has made false claims.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Sept 30, 2007 19:17:31 GMT -4
Is this typical of these people? Yes. I do believe that GreenMagoos was here before. Or at least used to be. Must check the Banned posters log. |
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Post by nomuse on Sept 30, 2007 19:55:16 GMT -4
I find myself oddly fascinated (as well as frustrated) by the mis-match of observational skills in these sorts of discussions.
The Greenmagoo crowd: "The clips look the same."
Macapple and friends: "The clips do not look the same."
To Greemagoo, the trivial similarities he has focused on are so obvious there can only be two possible reasons someone would fail to agree with them; that they have ulterior motives, or that they are dumb as a moon rock.
To Macapple, the obvious similarities are so trivial no worthwhile argument could be based on them. At any degree of more careful observation both gross and subtle dissimilarities make themselves known. Unlike Greenmagoo, Macapple can see and appreciate what the other sees. Also unlike Greenmagoo, he is able to go further.
I am put in mind of an experience I had on a recent dance show. Seven choreographers, each with their own music hastily-burned to a CD (usually directly from iTunes). Somewhere around #6, I popped the latest CD in the machine, quickly reached for the channel EQ to try to take some of the harshness out of it, and grinned, "Ah, another mp3."
At which point the choreographer looks at me with this "Oh, another Martian" look and says, "You audio people! How can you even tell?"
(Um, because of the hiss, crackling, over-compression, and the fact that the hi-hats sound like a raccoon getting into a garbage can?)
It is a strange and frustrating sort of conversation that sometimes ensues in these situations. One viewer is totally convinced of their own observational skill, and is unable to make the intuitive leap to the idea that the other person not only sees every single thing they sees, but has moved far beyond it as well. The conversation stalls here. "How can you not see that it looks like a face?" "I can see that it looks like a face, but I can also see that it looks not like a face." "But I see the face! Why can't you?" and on, ad nas.
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Post by Czero 101 on Sept 30, 2007 20:11:38 GMT -4
Anyone here remember Kevin Smith's "Mallrats"...? There's the part - actually, its really a small plot-line all to itself - about the fat guy - oops... I mean "gravimetrically challenged male character" - that has been standing infront of the Magic-Eye picture for something like 2 days trying to see the 3-D sailboat. Everyone else who comes up to him - main and minor character, even a group of school kids - can see the sailboat instantly, but the big guy just can't no matter what he does. He ends up getting rather bent out of shape that everyone BUT him can see the sailboat (trivia time: the Magic-Eye pic wasn't actually of a sailbout, but rather of several different geometric shapes - and yes, I've freeze-framed it to check  ) I kinda see the HB's as the big guy - they are just not capable of seeing the truth that everyone else sees and get pissed off when everyone else around them can see it so clearly. Cz |
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Post by macapple on Sept 30, 2007 20:34:35 GMT -4
Now for some reason i cant post on his video, can he stop people posting the youtube site?
Typical can deal with rational questions, ban him..
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Post by Ginnie on Sept 30, 2007 20:43:50 GMT -4
Yeah, apparently the owner of the video can block unwanted responses to the video.
Clearly greenmagoo couldn't give specifics other than 'look at 2001 and the EVA's, they're the same' type of response, and just grew tired of your questioning. You may be lucky, sometimes they just keep getting nastier, insulting and childish.
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Post by macapple on Sept 30, 2007 20:49:48 GMT -4
Yeah, apparently the owner of the video can block unwanted responses to the video. Clearly greenmagoo couldn't give specifics other than 'look at 2001 and the EVA's, they're the same' type of response, and just grew tired of your questioning. You may be lucky, sometimes they just keep getting nastier, insulting and childish. Oh he did get very insulting, but hey ive been called all sorts. |
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Post by Ginnie on Sept 30, 2007 21:24:11 GMT -4
They can get much worse than that.
Svector knows.
I't not really worthwhile commenting on youtube, although I just did to the link you put here. It'll probably be my last though.
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Post by Data Cable on Sept 30, 2007 22:54:37 GMT -4
I find myself oddly fascinated (as well as frustrated) by the mis-match of observational skills in these sorts of discussions. I've been there myself. I once engaged in a lengthy... ahem... discussion with an HB who contended that the (all too brief) TV transmissions from Apollo 12 contained "accidental" images of off-stage crew (based on his own pareidolia of close-up, out-of-focus, rapidly moving, compression-artifact-laden shots of the descent stage's capton insulation, and a brief glimpse of the folded S-band antenna which he proclaimed to be a "bare human arm"), who not only couldn't accept that his interpretations of the images might be wrong, but couldn't even accept that the Spacecraft Films DVD presentation of the footage (for the most part) was of higher quality than the highly-compressed online RealVideo clips. (That Spacecraft Films "deliberately" muddied up this segment in order to hide the truth was his central thesis.) The long-timers here will probably know who I'm talking about. |
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Post by Obviousman on Oct 1, 2007 1:29:16 GMT -4
I am unable to see "Magic Eye" images; I have no idea why.
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Post by Count Zero on Oct 1, 2007 7:44:43 GMT -4
I find myself oddly fascinated (as well as frustrated) by the mis-match of observational skills in these sorts of discussions. I've been there myself. I once engaged in a lengthy... ahem... discussion with an HB who contended that the (all too brief) TV transmissions from Apollo 12 contained "accidental" images of off-stage crew (based on his own pareidolia of close-up, out-of-focus, rapidly moving, compression-artifact-laden shots of the descent stage's capton insulation, and a brief glimpse of the folded S-band antenna which he proclaimed to be a "bare human arm"), who not only couldn't accept that his interpretations of the images might be wrong, but couldn't even accept that the Spacecraft Films DVD presentation of the footage (for the most part) was of higher quality than the highly-compressed online RealVideo clips. (That Spacecraft Films "deliberately" muddied up this segment in order to hide the truth was his central thesis.) The long-timers here will probably know who I'm talking about. Dang-it, DC, I'd just about killed all the brain cells that remembered that. Now I'll have to start drinking all over again! That was this thread, where the individual in question claimed to see, ..."two "people" and a black panel above them. I see a man with a beard on the left, wearing a green long-sleeve shirt, and pulling down on "rope loops" to bring the panel or "shade" down. In the bottom close-up, he appears to be in profile looking towards a man in a white long-sleeve shirt, who has his left hand partially covering his face." He could not, however, see which part of the Lunar Module was covered with mylar foil. |
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Post by BertL on Oct 1, 2007 8:53:48 GMT -4
I think greenmagoos at first thought I was some kind of svector sock puppet. Basically they also think svector is Jay Windley.
Discussion was basically me versus one person with the rest making ad homs and other off-topic comments. Which was basically the exact reason I made a seperate account for Apollo-related videos on YouTube. I think every member of that "YouTube gang" was banned from my channel at one point or another. But, as I'm a nice guy I unbanned everyone again before I gave up (if I recall correctly).
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