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Post by Jason on Jul 21, 2008 12:58:21 GMT -4
As I've said many times before, any argument that we caused a problem in the first place is an argument that we should stay until it's fixed.
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Post by dmundt on Jul 21, 2008 13:18:00 GMT -4
I have never said that we should just leave the mess we made.
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Post by Jason on Jul 21, 2008 13:29:02 GMT -4
Good. Then you're being more realistic than many on the left.
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Post by Ginnie on Jul 21, 2008 19:00:36 GMT -4
This story ran in the London Times a couple weeks ago. Very little has appeared about this offensive in the Associated Press or Reuters, presumably because it's good news. From the story: This would be very good news if it is true. I wish I could remember where I read recently about how low the support is for Al-Quada among Muslims around the world. Seems like AQ is more like a thorn in the side of Islam.
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Post by Jason on Jul 22, 2008 11:45:38 GMT -4
This story in my own local paper today says that the security situation in Iraq has improved so much that another brigade (3,000 - 4,000) of U.S. troops is likely to be withdrawn by the end of the year. Of course, as the AP wrote the story they focus largely on the negative aspects of this good news.
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Post by Jason on Jul 28, 2008 16:51:45 GMT -4
Hey! I finally found an Associated Press story that comes right out and says that the US is winning the Iraq war: HereFrom the opening paragraphs: It's V-AP day!
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Post by dmundt on Jul 28, 2008 17:07:06 GMT -4
We wouldn't have to look for positive signs in Iraq if:
A. we hadn't gone to war with Iraq.
B. we hadn't made such a total f*@k-up of the occupation.
C. the administration hadn't tried to paint such a rosy picture of the occupation of Iraq while the country was going to hell.
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Post by Jason on Jul 28, 2008 17:21:20 GMT -4
You forgot: D. if the media hadn't been so obsessed with turning it into President Bush's failure.
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Post by dmundt on Jul 28, 2008 17:29:38 GMT -4
Oh, right. It was the media's fault. In a way, you're right. The media should have been all over the Bush Administration for its lies and half-truths during the run-up to the war in Iraq. If the Bush administration's tactics had been exposed, the public would never have gone along with the invasion.
The media did not botch the occupation, however. And the media did not put 4124 US soldiers in a position to be killed in a war against a country that did not attack us, did not threaten us and did not pose a credible threat for attacking us in the future.
The news media is not supposed to blindly support whatever the government wants to do. It is the job of the news media to question the government's motives and actions. It is unfortunate that you are never going to understand that. Your idea about the role of the news media is fairly close to the model for "news" media in communist countries.
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Post by Jason on Jul 28, 2008 17:47:45 GMT -4
You're right - the administration made some big mistakes in the occupation. Then they fixed them.
The media gave no consideration to the fact that mistakes are always made in every war and little to no credit is being given to the administration for having learned from those mistakes. And Democrats will of course refuse to ever give any credit for turning the occupation around, and I don't expect any apologies for being wrong about the Surge anytime soon.
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Post by Jason on Aug 6, 2008 15:01:06 GMT -4
More positive signs from Iraq.U.S. casualties in July were 5 - a low for the war as a whole, key leaders of Al Qaeda have fled to Pakistan, troop deployments will be cut from 15 months to 12, and Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr plans to announce Friday that he is disarming his Mahdi Army. Things are looking better and better for Iraq.
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